1 00:00:06,140 --> 00:00:02,240 you're locked into inception radio 2 00:00:09,290 --> 00:00:06,150 network superior Wisconsin thunders 3 00:00:11,690 --> 00:00:09,300 radio on the inception radio network a 4 00:00:14,240 --> 00:00:11,700 weekly audio Safari that features the 5 00:00:16,430 --> 00:00:14,250 newest and paranormal discoveries while 6 00:00:19,460 --> 00:00:16,440 highlighting the latest and not to be 7 00:00:21,980 --> 00:00:19,470 missed truth funder com projects for 8 00:00:29,439 --> 00:00:21,990 truth seekers and true believers this 9 00:00:34,100 --> 00:00:32,269 greetings Bonjour welcome to this week's 10 00:00:36,160 --> 00:00:34,110 edition of truth funders radio on mark 11 00:00:38,660 --> 00:00:36,170 schwartz CEO of truth funders 12 00:00:41,150 --> 00:00:38,670 broadcasting live from my nerd fortress 13 00:00:44,209 --> 00:00:41,160 of solitude well i guess it's not 14 00:00:47,150 --> 00:00:44,219 solitude I do have a dog and a fiance 15 00:00:48,680 --> 00:00:47,160 and friends I promise but I am 16 00:00:50,389 --> 00:00:48,690 surrounded by vintage Nintendo 17 00:00:53,029 --> 00:00:50,399 accessories including the power glove 18 00:00:55,880 --> 00:00:53,039 from the movie The Wizard for you out 19 00:00:58,490 --> 00:00:55,890 there that love the 1980s so I can't 20 00:01:01,459 --> 00:00:58,500 really claim that it's solitude but I am 21 00:01:03,410 --> 00:01:01,469 in seclusion today Hosting hosting truth 22 00:01:04,729 --> 00:01:03,420 funders radio I know that you're 23 00:01:06,770 --> 00:01:04,739 probably used to hearing art webs 24 00:01:08,539 --> 00:01:06,780 magically delicious voice echo through 25 00:01:11,359 --> 00:01:08,549 your listening devices to introduce you 26 00:01:13,070 --> 00:01:11,369 to the show but unfortunately art had a 27 00:01:16,520 --> 00:01:13,080 little bit of an accident and he wound 28 00:01:18,109 --> 00:01:16,530 up breaking his tooth or teeth today and 29 00:01:20,480 --> 00:01:18,119 so he went into immediate emergency 30 00:01:22,670 --> 00:01:20,490 dental surgery so I hope that everybody 31 00:01:26,719 --> 00:01:22,680 out there can take a minute to send our 32 00:01:28,670 --> 00:01:26,729 good wishes send them love or you can go 33 00:01:30,350 --> 00:01:28,680 ahead to true founders of facebook and 34 00:01:32,600 --> 00:01:30,360 send him a message on there he'll 35 00:01:34,249 --> 00:01:32,610 definitely get it I don't know if 36 00:01:37,130 --> 00:01:34,259 anybody remembers but a few years ago 37 00:01:40,190 --> 00:01:37,140 well maybe a lot of years ago now i'm 38 00:01:41,960 --> 00:01:40,200 starting to date myself but art bell he 39 00:01:44,630 --> 00:01:41,970 had this experiment where a bunch of 40 00:01:47,030 --> 00:01:44,640 people thought at the same time and it 41 00:01:49,130 --> 00:01:47,040 sort of changed the i don't know if it 42 00:01:51,980 --> 00:01:49,140 was the electromagnetic spectrum or 43 00:01:53,990 --> 00:01:51,990 there were some significant changes that 44 00:01:57,109 --> 00:01:54,000 they recorded at some high-end 45 00:02:00,200 --> 00:01:57,119 universities so that's what i want us to 46 00:02:01,490 --> 00:02:00,210 do for art I know that he's probably who 47 00:02:04,160 --> 00:02:01,500 knows he might be feeling good on 48 00:02:06,170 --> 00:02:04,170 painkillers and vicodin right now but if 49 00:02:07,730 --> 00:02:06,180 he's not if he's still in pain or if 50 00:02:09,800 --> 00:02:07,740 he's listening to the show or wherever 51 00:02:11,540 --> 00:02:09,810 he might be I hope he's doing well and I 52 00:02:12,860 --> 00:02:11,550 hope we can all send some good vibes his 53 00:02:15,410 --> 00:02:12,870 way and I know 54 00:02:18,860 --> 00:02:15,420 that he will be back next week the next 55 00:02:22,460 --> 00:02:18,870 week's show so today on truth funders we 56 00:02:24,800 --> 00:02:22,470 have an incredible show for you guys we 57 00:02:26,390 --> 00:02:24,810 have a lot of guests first of all I'm 58 00:02:28,880 --> 00:02:26,400 going to bring on Jesse in just a few 59 00:02:30,860 --> 00:02:28,890 minutes Jesse Marcel he was on our show 60 00:02:32,149 --> 00:02:30,870 a few weeks ago and he's back to tell us 61 00:02:34,460 --> 00:02:32,159 a little bit about his truth funders 62 00:02:36,319 --> 00:02:34,470 project and how it's going and for those 63 00:02:37,699 --> 00:02:36,329 of you who don't know what he's been 64 00:02:41,059 --> 00:02:37,709 working on he'll fill you in a little 65 00:02:44,420 --> 00:02:41,069 bit and we also have the incredible the 66 00:02:46,490 --> 00:02:44,430 amazing bill and nancy burns you might 67 00:02:48,080 --> 00:02:46,500 know them from their show that a lot of 68 00:02:50,210 --> 00:02:48,090 people listen to you which is future 69 00:02:52,610 --> 00:02:50,220 theater and there's so many other things 70 00:02:55,039 --> 00:02:52,620 that they have done they have been in 71 00:02:56,930 --> 00:02:55,049 the ufology world for a long time and i 72 00:02:58,550 --> 00:02:56,940 will go ahead and do a little intro for 73 00:03:01,369 --> 00:02:58,560 them later and bring them on we're going 74 00:03:05,119 --> 00:03:01,379 to be talking about paranormal radio and 75 00:03:07,009 --> 00:03:05,129 online radio and how it's changing the 76 00:03:08,960 --> 00:03:07,019 world that we live in and in you the 77 00:03:12,349 --> 00:03:08,970 listeners out there how you're a part of 78 00:03:14,479 --> 00:03:12,359 this revolution too so without further 79 00:03:17,990 --> 00:03:14,489 ado I'm going to give a little intro to 80 00:03:20,330 --> 00:03:18,000 Jesse Jesse Marcel his grandfather was a 81 00:03:22,339 --> 00:03:20,340 first responder to the famous Roswell 82 00:03:24,589 --> 00:03:22,349 crash his grandfather brought home a 83 00:03:26,629 --> 00:03:24,599 piece of debris with strange symbols on 84 00:03:28,789 --> 00:03:26,639 it from the crash and Jesse's 85 00:03:31,250 --> 00:03:28,799 grandfather and his father sketched out 86 00:03:33,619 --> 00:03:31,260 some of the symbols that were on this 87 00:03:36,199 --> 00:03:33,629 piece of debris and now jesse is in the 88 00:03:38,809 --> 00:03:36,209 process of recreating it in a series of 89 00:03:40,610 --> 00:03:38,819 model replicas using the actual symbols 90 00:03:42,080 --> 00:03:40,620 that were found on it and he's placed 91 00:03:44,240 --> 00:03:42,090 that project on truth funders for 92 00:03:45,439 --> 00:03:44,250 anybody can donate to the project and if 93 00:03:48,170 --> 00:03:45,449 you donate to the project you can 94 00:03:49,580 --> 00:03:48,180 actually receive a little bit you can 95 00:03:52,670 --> 00:03:49,590 receive one of these he's calling them 96 00:03:56,119 --> 00:03:52,680 Roswell I beams and it's really a piece 97 00:03:58,520 --> 00:03:56,129 of historic roswell so i like to welcome 98 00:04:00,289 --> 00:03:58,530 back to the show Jesse Marcel and how 99 00:04:02,030 --> 00:04:00,299 are you doing Jesse hello everybody oh 100 00:04:04,849 --> 00:04:02,040 I'm doing great thank you work just uh 101 00:04:06,789 --> 00:04:04,859 just uh exciting back on your show for a 102 00:04:09,979 --> 00:04:06,799 few minutes talking about the i-beam 103 00:04:13,819 --> 00:04:09,989 kind of one of those kind of it's really 104 00:04:16,520 --> 00:04:13,829 one of the staples for in my in my 105 00:04:19,310 --> 00:04:16,530 mission to keep rouse well at the 106 00:04:21,080 --> 00:04:19,320 forefront is is the mystery of all these 107 00:04:24,080 --> 00:04:21,090 symbols were found on some of the debris 108 00:04:25,550 --> 00:04:24,090 and it's it's one of those things it's 109 00:04:26,170 --> 00:04:25,560 like it's like a puzzle I love puzzles 110 00:04:27,430 --> 00:04:26,180 so 111 00:04:30,219 --> 00:04:27,440 it's kind of our my excitement comes 112 00:04:32,650 --> 00:04:30,229 from its it's so awesome and you know 113 00:04:35,110 --> 00:04:32,660 people definitely heard you on the show 114 00:04:37,420 --> 00:04:35,120 and what was great was last time you 115 00:04:39,310 --> 00:04:37,430 were on the show you were on it for for 116 00:04:42,189 --> 00:04:39,320 about an hour an hour and 15 minutes and 117 00:04:44,080 --> 00:04:42,199 in that hour and 15 minutes the 118 00:04:46,749 --> 00:04:44,090 listeners donated around seventy or 119 00:04:49,060 --> 00:04:46,759 eighty dollars towards your campaign so 120 00:04:51,550 --> 00:04:49,070 that was about for Roswell I beams that 121 00:04:54,159 --> 00:04:51,560 were purchased in that time a big thank 122 00:04:56,020 --> 00:04:54,169 you yes definitely and yeah I just I 123 00:04:59,320 --> 00:04:56,030 think it's so cool you know the fact 124 00:05:01,839 --> 00:04:59,330 that you came you came to us with this 125 00:05:03,999 --> 00:05:01,849 project and yes and it's actually being 126 00:05:06,430 --> 00:05:04,009 executed and we're making it happen and 127 00:05:08,680 --> 00:05:06,440 this next week or two we're going to 128 00:05:10,689 --> 00:05:08,690 start doing a huge push and I talk to 129 00:05:12,550 --> 00:05:10,699 you off the phone you know a couple days 130 00:05:14,439 --> 00:05:12,560 ago about this but we're going to be 131 00:05:16,600 --> 00:05:14,449 doing this huge marketing push in order 132 00:05:19,150 --> 00:05:16,610 for people to to know that the project 133 00:05:21,219 --> 00:05:19,160 is out there come visit truth funders 134 00:05:23,409 --> 00:05:21,229 and donate to it so for anybody 135 00:05:25,659 --> 00:05:23,419 listening right now this is probably 136 00:05:27,999 --> 00:05:25,669 your best chance if you want to own a 137 00:05:30,550 --> 00:05:28,009 piece of Roswell history I mean jesse is 138 00:05:32,830 --> 00:05:30,560 part of the last lineage of first 139 00:05:35,260 --> 00:05:32,840 responders to Roswell his family is like 140 00:05:36,939 --> 00:05:35,270 the family tree so this is I mean it's 141 00:05:38,800 --> 00:05:36,949 so exciting that a you brought your 142 00:05:42,370 --> 00:05:38,810 project to choose funders and be that 143 00:05:44,800 --> 00:05:42,380 you're you're doing this and you know 144 00:05:47,680 --> 00:05:44,810 there's there's deeper reasons why 145 00:05:50,110 --> 00:05:47,690 you're creating the eye beam projects 146 00:05:51,700 --> 00:05:50,120 it's not just to create a model and put 147 00:05:54,730 --> 00:05:51,710 it out there for people to play with I 148 00:05:57,760 --> 00:05:54,740 mean there there are deeper reasons for 149 00:06:00,640 --> 00:05:57,770 it yes yeah well you know it's it really 150 00:06:02,439 --> 00:06:00,650 is it's the odd people are from there 151 00:06:05,740 --> 00:06:02,449 was a story of Roswell my grandfather 152 00:06:07,240 --> 00:06:05,750 was really the lead investigator to go 153 00:06:10,839 --> 00:06:07,250 out in the field and look at the debris 154 00:06:13,540 --> 00:06:10,849 on the the first crash site and he was 155 00:06:14,950 --> 00:06:13,550 Kathy and Stanton Friedman Britt made 156 00:06:18,219 --> 00:06:14,960 the public quite aware of it back in 157 00:06:20,620 --> 00:06:18,229 1977 or thereabouts-- now that 158 00:06:22,450 --> 00:06:20,630 information I might my grandfather and 159 00:06:25,210 --> 00:06:22,460 my father both came into contact with 160 00:06:27,460 --> 00:06:25,220 that debris the story is pretty famous 161 00:06:29,050 --> 00:06:27,470 my grandfather put together box of the 162 00:06:31,510 --> 00:06:29,060 mature Bri to come back go back to the 163 00:06:33,610 --> 00:06:31,520 base with to show his commander and but 164 00:06:34,959 --> 00:06:33,620 on the way home he thought it was all 165 00:06:36,610 --> 00:06:34,969 going to be kind of swept up he thought 166 00:06:38,920 --> 00:06:36,620 this was a pretty amazing find something 167 00:06:39,310 --> 00:06:38,930 that that he felt that the government 168 00:06:40,960 --> 00:06:39,320 and the 169 00:06:43,630 --> 00:06:40,970 weren't ready to let the people know 170 00:06:45,670 --> 00:06:43,640 about so he showed my father and his 171 00:06:48,700 --> 00:06:45,680 wife and then before return of the base 172 00:06:50,830 --> 00:06:48,710 but it was in that meeting the end when 173 00:06:53,680 --> 00:06:50,840 he went home and showed my grandmother 174 00:06:56,020 --> 00:06:53,690 and my father the debris that my father 175 00:06:58,510 --> 00:06:56,030 discovered these symbols on the the 176 00:07:00,100 --> 00:06:58,520 wreckage and it's just it's always been 177 00:07:03,610 --> 00:07:00,110 a big topic of conversation with our 178 00:07:05,470 --> 00:07:03,620 family have had a lot of people a lot of 179 00:07:09,220 --> 00:07:05,480 credible people of incredible people 180 00:07:11,740 --> 00:07:09,230 look at the symbols and try to analyze 181 00:07:13,090 --> 00:07:11,750 them and and it is it's it's a lot of 182 00:07:14,790 --> 00:07:13,100 fun to think about what they could mean 183 00:07:17,530 --> 00:07:14,800 I mean this is truly something that was 184 00:07:21,910 --> 00:07:17,540 created by somebody on a distant planet 185 00:07:24,430 --> 00:07:21,920 and I said it is significant it is 186 00:07:28,600 --> 00:07:24,440 Roswell but it is it is somewhat of a 187 00:07:30,370 --> 00:07:28,610 beginning an awakening of the of you 188 00:07:34,240 --> 00:07:30,380 know the awareness of something else 189 00:07:35,380 --> 00:07:34,250 being out there and these symbols a lot 190 00:07:36,910 --> 00:07:35,390 of people so you know that kind of looks 191 00:07:41,020 --> 00:07:36,920 like this I've been working with a 192 00:07:43,480 --> 00:07:41,030 gentleman is an Aztec Indian and and he 193 00:07:45,520 --> 00:07:43,490 has some definite ideas on to what these 194 00:07:47,170 --> 00:07:45,530 could be and I'm very excited it's it's 195 00:07:50,350 --> 00:07:47,180 always fun to hear what somebody else 196 00:07:53,560 --> 00:07:50,360 might see in them because you know who 197 00:07:56,350 --> 00:07:53,570 knows like right now the going story is 198 00:07:58,630 --> 00:07:56,360 along the lines that these actually are 199 00:08:01,930 --> 00:07:58,640 magnetic symbols magnetic signatures of 200 00:08:04,240 --> 00:08:01,940 places that is that whatever this these 201 00:08:06,790 --> 00:08:04,250 people have gone are these aliens have 202 00:08:08,880 --> 00:08:06,800 gone and in one of those symbols might 203 00:08:12,310 --> 00:08:08,890 be the earth so it's it's a lot of fun 204 00:08:15,460 --> 00:08:12,320 it's uh it's more than fun you know it I 205 00:08:17,470 --> 00:08:15,470 really feel that its historic and I'm 206 00:08:19,870 --> 00:08:17,480 definitely I am definitely going to get 207 00:08:22,240 --> 00:08:19,880 one of these I've ordered one for myself 208 00:08:24,870 --> 00:08:22,250 and i am going to contribute to the 209 00:08:27,220 --> 00:08:24,880 campaign and and get another one 210 00:08:29,290 --> 00:08:27,230 specifically for a friend of mine i 211 00:08:33,339 --> 00:08:29,300 think i might be sending it to art as a 212 00:08:36,700 --> 00:08:33,349 get better presence because yeah i mean 213 00:08:38,380 --> 00:08:36,710 it oh go ahead yeah I don't want to 214 00:08:39,700 --> 00:08:38,390 minimize that way it's fun for me of 215 00:08:42,610 --> 00:08:39,710 course you know I've had these in my 216 00:08:45,160 --> 00:08:42,620 hands for you know that my age there for 217 00:08:48,700 --> 00:08:45,170 all my life and it is something if you 218 00:08:50,380 --> 00:08:48,710 want a true tangible piece of it is a 219 00:08:52,330 --> 00:08:50,390 replica but the symbols came right from 220 00:08:53,300 --> 00:08:52,340 my grandfather's Rutgers writings Anna 221 00:08:56,470 --> 00:08:53,310 my father's right 222 00:09:00,260 --> 00:08:56,480 I mean this is this is truthful of a 223 00:09:02,540 --> 00:09:00,270 piece of foreign language alien language 224 00:09:04,700 --> 00:09:02,550 that you'll you're going to get your 225 00:09:07,130 --> 00:09:04,710 hands on it's very significant no crazy 226 00:09:08,840 --> 00:09:07,140 it's so cool it's it's it's basically I 227 00:09:10,510 --> 00:09:08,850 mean where are these things that we did 228 00:09:13,970 --> 00:09:10,520 produce a few of them most summer are 229 00:09:16,519 --> 00:09:13,980 quite regular museums so there is a lot 230 00:09:19,220 --> 00:09:16,529 of idioms are they in our isn't the UFO 231 00:09:22,490 --> 00:09:19,230 museum in roswell UFO museums one of the 232 00:09:24,230 --> 00:09:22,500 Smithsonian extensions and just 233 00:09:26,930 --> 00:09:24,240 otherwise in Brazil they're hugely 234 00:09:28,220 --> 00:09:26,940 popular it's funny they're popular here 235 00:09:29,240 --> 00:09:28,230 but you go into some of the Latin 236 00:09:30,920 --> 00:09:29,250 American countries and they're like 237 00:09:32,420 --> 00:09:30,930 they're clamoring to get their hands on 238 00:09:34,670 --> 00:09:32,430 I'm just they they feel like there's a 239 00:09:36,890 --> 00:09:34,680 lot of significance almost like a not 240 00:09:41,420 --> 00:09:36,900 religious significance to them but they 241 00:09:43,579 --> 00:09:41,430 almost put that kind of energy into them 242 00:09:45,200 --> 00:09:43,589 i guess you could say sure it's so 243 00:09:48,110 --> 00:09:45,210 there's i think there's something to be 244 00:09:51,050 --> 00:09:48,120 said for that too you know the fact that 245 00:09:53,300 --> 00:09:51,060 people feel connected to them yeah there 246 00:09:56,060 --> 00:09:53,310 is there there's people at one of the 247 00:09:58,190 --> 00:09:56,070 one of the last I usually I have one 248 00:10:00,710 --> 00:09:58,200 myself of course and if I go out and do 249 00:10:02,570 --> 00:10:00,720 a talk or whatever like at the the last 250 00:10:04,190 --> 00:10:02,580 contact of the desert people were 251 00:10:06,530 --> 00:10:04,200 absolutely fascinated by them they try 252 00:10:08,690 --> 00:10:06,540 to feel like it was or could they could 253 00:10:10,070 --> 00:10:08,700 they make sense and I get a spiritual 254 00:10:13,160 --> 00:10:10,080 sense from the symbols that kind of 255 00:10:15,200 --> 00:10:13,170 thing but it was interesting it's like 256 00:10:17,990 --> 00:10:15,210 it was probably the most popular little 257 00:10:20,420 --> 00:10:18,000 item in my shade in my in my talks as it 258 00:10:22,130 --> 00:10:20,430 got handed around and but it they are 259 00:10:23,480 --> 00:10:22,140 fascinating i said if you want to really 260 00:10:26,630 --> 00:10:23,490 have a connection with something that's 261 00:10:29,500 --> 00:10:26,640 this not from here there really isn't a 262 00:10:32,780 --> 00:10:29,510 much better way to do it at least today 263 00:10:34,310 --> 00:10:32,790 and it's it's just I can't wait to tell 264 00:10:36,110 --> 00:10:34,320 I can't wait to hold it can't wait till 265 00:10:38,510 --> 00:10:36,120 it's like tangible in my hands and I get 266 00:10:40,340 --> 00:10:38,520 to show it off to people yeah i mean it 267 00:10:41,680 --> 00:10:40,350 is it's if you want if you want 268 00:10:43,850 --> 00:10:41,690 something to set on your desk a 269 00:10:46,610 --> 00:10:43,860 conversation starter you're not going to 270 00:10:49,430 --> 00:10:46,620 get something more unique yeah and you 271 00:10:51,620 --> 00:10:49,440 know your campaign is is very unique you 272 00:10:53,390 --> 00:10:51,630 bring up that word and it's it's a good 273 00:10:54,949 --> 00:10:53,400 word for your campaign because you have 274 00:10:57,790 --> 00:10:54,959 a couple things that nobody else has 275 00:11:00,350 --> 00:10:57,800 done on their truth funders campaigns 276 00:11:02,990 --> 00:11:00,360 one of them is the fact that you turned 277 00:11:05,700 --> 00:11:03,000 this into a font the Roswell alien font 278 00:11:08,370 --> 00:11:05,710 you turn these symbols so people can 279 00:11:11,490 --> 00:11:08,380 almost create their own puzzles or 280 00:11:14,490 --> 00:11:11,500 secret codes out of this so you know if 281 00:11:16,950 --> 00:11:14,500 I was when I was like 15 years old and 282 00:11:18,600 --> 00:11:16,960 in Boy Scouts I love secret codes we 283 00:11:20,280 --> 00:11:18,610 would do all sorts of secret codes and 284 00:11:23,490 --> 00:11:20,290 try to decipher them in different places 285 00:11:24,990 --> 00:11:23,500 this is the perfect sort of font to do 286 00:11:28,500 --> 00:11:25,000 it with because it actually has real 287 00:11:30,420 --> 00:11:28,510 meaning and you might be you might be 288 00:11:31,890 --> 00:11:30,430 writing something crazy and not know it 289 00:11:35,310 --> 00:11:31,900 but you know you could create almost 290 00:11:37,380 --> 00:11:35,320 your own alphabet using and just their 291 00:11:39,810 --> 00:11:37,390 significance it's like when I created I 292 00:11:42,690 --> 00:11:39,820 was working with a linguist to do it we 293 00:11:44,700 --> 00:11:42,700 took the array of symbols and those that 294 00:11:45,900 --> 00:11:44,710 were the I guess we're most important of 295 00:11:47,010 --> 00:11:45,910 my father that's where a big part came 296 00:11:49,620 --> 00:11:47,020 from what it was what were most 297 00:11:51,120 --> 00:11:49,630 significant to him we also made most 298 00:11:53,040 --> 00:11:51,130 significant our language like the letter 299 00:11:55,320 --> 00:11:53,050 ease or esas ortiz those kind of things 300 00:11:57,120 --> 00:11:55,330 ones are used most often we assign those 301 00:11:59,640 --> 00:11:57,130 letters to the symbols that were 302 00:12:00,840 --> 00:11:59,650 correspond that were the most prevalent 303 00:12:03,630 --> 00:12:00,850 on this debris so there is a 304 00:12:05,970 --> 00:12:03,640 relationship there but yeah like the 305 00:12:07,200 --> 00:12:05,980 same thing is like if if somebody's 306 00:12:09,360 --> 00:12:07,210 interesting getting involved you know 307 00:12:12,000 --> 00:12:09,370 that do to get involved in the campaign 308 00:12:14,790 --> 00:12:12,010 and see what you can find out and please 309 00:12:16,140 --> 00:12:14,800 let me know awesome well hey thank you 310 00:12:18,690 --> 00:12:16,150 so much for coming back on the show 311 00:12:21,600 --> 00:12:18,700 Jessie you have a ton of other projects 312 00:12:23,010 --> 00:12:21,610 like you're flying car there's all sorts 313 00:12:25,230 --> 00:12:23,020 of things so that I don't know if I'm 314 00:12:27,090 --> 00:12:25,240 allowed to say on the air yet but I want 315 00:12:28,260 --> 00:12:27,100 to bring you back for them and talk talk 316 00:12:29,550 --> 00:12:28,270 a lot more about them because there's 317 00:12:32,400 --> 00:12:29,560 some cool production stuff that's 318 00:12:34,830 --> 00:12:32,410 happening so cool you know secret secret 319 00:12:36,720 --> 00:12:34,840 shows and things that we can we can talk 320 00:12:39,090 --> 00:12:36,730 about on the air so I love to have you 321 00:12:43,500 --> 00:12:39,100 back and for everybody listening please 322 00:12:46,170 --> 00:12:43,510 go to WWF wanders calm truth funders 323 00:12:48,210 --> 00:12:46,180 calm you can scroll down the home page 324 00:12:49,860 --> 00:12:48,220 and you will see the Roswell I beam go 325 00:12:51,810 --> 00:12:49,870 ahead and click on that and you'll see 326 00:12:53,820 --> 00:12:51,820 jesse has all sorts of stuff from 327 00:12:56,100 --> 00:12:53,830 Roswell alien symbol posters that you 328 00:12:58,620 --> 00:12:56,110 can download for five dollars to the 329 00:13:01,050 --> 00:12:58,630 Roswell alien font for ten dollars you 330 00:13:04,110 --> 00:13:01,060 can get the Roswell I beam that we're 331 00:13:07,140 --> 00:13:04,120 talking about 425 dollars and then also 332 00:13:09,630 --> 00:13:07,150 you can even get up to you know for 500 333 00:13:11,220 --> 00:13:09,640 bucks you can have dinner with Jesse and 334 00:13:13,080 --> 00:13:11,230 for twenty-five hundred dollars a 335 00:13:16,650 --> 00:13:13,090 personal meeting with up to 10 guests 336 00:13:18,120 --> 00:13:16,660 and that's great for a a UFO conference 337 00:13:19,500 --> 00:13:18,130 view if you want to get a bunch of 338 00:13:21,690 --> 00:13:19,510 people together and 339 00:13:24,300 --> 00:13:21,700 Jesse questions about Roswell he is one 340 00:13:26,130 --> 00:13:24,310 of the you know bill burns is actually 341 00:13:28,020 --> 00:13:26,140 coming on the show right after you and 342 00:13:31,200 --> 00:13:28,030 he knows a lot about Roswell because 343 00:13:33,240 --> 00:13:31,210 you'll see those but it's great it's 344 00:13:36,450 --> 00:13:33,250 like the Roswell family is sort of on 345 00:13:38,550 --> 00:13:36,460 the show today more or less this but yet 346 00:13:42,390 --> 00:13:38,560 you can go and support Jesse because his 347 00:13:45,000 --> 00:13:42,400 project is is fantastic and anytime you 348 00:13:47,100 --> 00:13:45,010 donate to his cause you're helping out 349 00:13:48,750 --> 00:13:47,110 the show you're helping out truth 350 00:13:52,080 --> 00:13:48,760 funders and you're helping out the idea 351 00:13:54,510 --> 00:13:52,090 that you know we can make a difference 352 00:13:58,350 --> 00:13:54,520 we can spread the world spread the word 353 00:14:01,350 --> 00:13:58,360 of the paranormal of ufology of you know 354 00:14:04,470 --> 00:14:01,360 this this mindset out there to everyone 355 00:14:08,160 --> 00:14:04,480 and I think that's what these i-beams do 356 00:14:10,680 --> 00:14:08,170 Jesse they they really spread spread the 357 00:14:12,690 --> 00:14:10,690 idea of the paranormal two people and 358 00:14:14,820 --> 00:14:12,700 they're they're a great story to tell 359 00:14:16,320 --> 00:14:14,830 people as well yeah there any of the 360 00:14:17,670 --> 00:14:16,330 tactile feel you'll be able to hold your 361 00:14:18,690 --> 00:14:17,680 hands and look at it it's just it's a 362 00:14:21,000 --> 00:14:18,700 different way it's a different 363 00:14:22,200 --> 00:14:21,010 experience more than the more than just 364 00:14:24,570 --> 00:14:22,210 you know more than watching a video or 365 00:14:26,010 --> 00:14:24,580 or reading a book perhaps but actually 366 00:14:28,800 --> 00:14:26,020 holding a piece it's it's exciting 367 00:14:30,660 --> 00:14:28,810 awesome well hey thank you so much Jesse 368 00:14:31,980 --> 00:14:30,670 will be talking to you soon I'm going to 369 00:14:34,500 --> 00:14:31,990 talk to you give you call after the show 370 00:14:36,210 --> 00:14:34,510 great look for ya have a have a 371 00:14:39,330 --> 00:14:36,220 fantastic night it's great to thank you 372 00:14:41,790 --> 00:14:39,340 all right all right bye-bye everybody 373 00:14:45,450 --> 00:14:41,800 Jesse Marcel you know he is such a cool 374 00:14:47,610 --> 00:14:45,460 guy we talk because of truth lenders we 375 00:14:49,560 --> 00:14:47,620 obviously talk outside of the show and 376 00:14:51,150 --> 00:14:49,570 he always is working on the most 377 00:14:53,100 --> 00:14:51,160 incredible projects and that's one of 378 00:14:56,040 --> 00:14:53,110 the things that that I really love is 379 00:15:00,930 --> 00:14:56,050 that he has a great entrepreneur mind 380 00:15:02,670 --> 00:15:00,940 and is able to spread these ideas to the 381 00:15:06,270 --> 00:15:02,680 general public people who might not 382 00:15:08,910 --> 00:15:06,280 necessarily know the deep inner workings 383 00:15:11,700 --> 00:15:08,920 of ufology and the paranormal he's able 384 00:15:13,500 --> 00:15:11,710 to reach out he's super likable and and 385 00:15:16,740 --> 00:15:13,510 he has so so many good things that he's 386 00:15:20,190 --> 00:15:16,750 doing so thank you so much Jesse up next 387 00:15:24,480 --> 00:15:20,200 we have bill and nancy burns i'm going 388 00:15:25,920 --> 00:15:24,490 to take a quick look here at the screen 389 00:15:28,110 --> 00:15:25,930 and it looks like we're not going to 390 00:15:29,670 --> 00:15:28,120 break yet so that's fantastic okay 391 00:15:31,530 --> 00:15:29,680 everybody that's out there knows bill of 392 00:15:32,580 --> 00:15:31,540 Nancy I am super stoked to have them on 393 00:15:34,890 --> 00:15:32,590 the show I will 394 00:15:37,290 --> 00:15:34,900 art could be here because I know if art 395 00:15:38,880 --> 00:15:37,300 was here we would play we would have so 396 00:15:42,210 --> 00:15:38,890 much fun with them but I'm gonna have to 397 00:15:45,170 --> 00:15:42,220 have fun with bill dance by myself they 398 00:15:48,060 --> 00:15:45,180 are just some of the most incredible 399 00:15:52,230 --> 00:15:48,070 incredible people in the world of 400 00:15:54,720 --> 00:15:52,240 ufology from you know you've you've seen 401 00:15:57,300 --> 00:15:54,730 them with UFO hunters you've seen bill 402 00:15:59,550 --> 00:15:57,310 on UFO hunters UFO FILES ancient aliens 403 00:16:00,810 --> 00:15:59,560 he's been a guest on coast-to-coast I 404 00:16:03,090 --> 00:16:00,820 think he was on it just like a week or 405 00:16:05,670 --> 00:16:03,100 two ago too and he's currently the 406 00:16:09,060 --> 00:16:05,680 co-host of future theatre which is on 407 00:16:11,310 --> 00:16:09,070 the Dark Matter radio network and he's 408 00:16:13,560 --> 00:16:11,320 all and also nancy nancy burns she is 409 00:16:15,390 --> 00:16:13,570 the editor of UFO magazine and the 410 00:16:19,110 --> 00:16:15,400 co-host of future theater on the Dark 411 00:16:22,020 --> 00:16:19,120 Matter radio network so i would like to 412 00:16:27,720 --> 00:16:22,030 introduce them to you guys welcome 413 00:16:29,520 --> 00:16:27,730 everybody bill and nancy burns oh and we 414 00:16:32,340 --> 00:16:29,530 have to call bill so we're calling him 415 00:16:35,130 --> 00:16:32,350 right now phones ringing um hell Audi 416 00:16:40,440 --> 00:16:35,140 hey how are you doing yeah I'm good 417 00:16:42,390 --> 00:16:40,450 great Nancy are you there well I guess 418 00:16:44,400 --> 00:16:42,400 currently it's just bill um so bill 419 00:16:46,170 --> 00:16:44,410 thank you so much for for being a guest 420 00:16:49,170 --> 00:16:46,180 on the show tonight we're we're really 421 00:16:52,380 --> 00:16:49,180 happy to have you it's exciting to I 422 00:16:55,800 --> 00:16:52,390 hear you guys so I'm coming at this from 423 00:16:58,110 --> 00:16:55,810 from two different places I am an 424 00:17:01,200 --> 00:16:58,120 entrepreneur trying to do some really 425 00:17:04,640 --> 00:17:01,210 cool stuff with paranormal and you know 426 00:17:08,040 --> 00:17:04,650 this technology madam I type world re 427 00:17:11,430 --> 00:17:08,050 you be there Nancy yeah I had my mute on 428 00:17:15,330 --> 00:17:11,440 I'm sorry no no worries hey it good to 429 00:17:17,760 --> 00:17:15,340 have you sure you were just just telling 430 00:17:19,320 --> 00:17:17,770 bill a little something you yeah so I 431 00:17:23,040 --> 00:17:19,330 was just saying that I'm wearing two 432 00:17:25,860 --> 00:17:23,050 hats on the show tonight because I'm you 433 00:17:27,540 --> 00:17:25,870 know usually just the co-host and the 434 00:17:30,660 --> 00:17:27,550 CEO of the company and I run the tech 435 00:17:33,150 --> 00:17:30,670 stuff and I do all that but I'm also a 436 00:17:35,310 --> 00:17:33,160 fan of you got of your guys a show so 437 00:17:37,200 --> 00:17:35,320 tonight I would love to you know ask you 438 00:17:39,360 --> 00:17:37,210 questions both from the technology 439 00:17:41,520 --> 00:17:39,370 perspective and talk a little bit about 440 00:17:43,260 --> 00:17:41,530 what it is you guys do in your show and 441 00:17:46,200 --> 00:17:43,270 how it's affecting you know the 442 00:17:48,539 --> 00:17:46,210 paranormal world and also how 443 00:17:50,310 --> 00:17:48,549 we feel I feel personally exactly the 444 00:17:53,190 --> 00:17:50,320 same way I'm torn between a bunch of 445 00:17:56,250 --> 00:17:53,200 technical stuff and in fact you and I 446 00:17:58,200 --> 00:17:56,260 mark I hope can talk afterward or asleep 447 00:17:59,580 --> 00:17:58,210 in the future because I do have a lot of 448 00:18:02,760 --> 00:17:59,590 questions that the rest of the world 449 00:18:05,639 --> 00:18:02,770 wouldn't be that interested in that's 450 00:18:06,990 --> 00:18:05,649 okay yeah definitely yeah okay yeah 451 00:18:09,899 --> 00:18:07,000 because you know I'm talking on your 452 00:18:13,529 --> 00:18:09,909 chat right now okay on that for the show 453 00:18:16,889 --> 00:18:13,539 chat sure talking to MJ and he's talking 454 00:18:19,380 --> 00:18:16,899 about the John Ford thing that he did a 455 00:18:21,870 --> 00:18:19,390 long interview yeah yeah you know what 456 00:18:24,960 --> 00:18:21,880 make a truth funders for two free John 457 00:18:26,789 --> 00:18:24,970 Ford I can put it together absolutely 458 00:18:28,950 --> 00:18:26,799 and you know that's totally what what 459 00:18:30,450 --> 00:18:28,960 we're here for or she'll what does bill 460 00:18:31,889 --> 00:18:30,460 think of that because I didn't this is 461 00:18:34,830 --> 00:18:31,899 the first bills heard of this what do 462 00:18:38,070 --> 00:18:34,840 you think of that idea well I think it's 463 00:18:42,060 --> 00:18:38,080 a great idea I think that it's it's it's 464 00:18:45,299 --> 00:18:42,070 not something that money can do and it's 465 00:18:46,769 --> 00:18:45,309 not we'll talk about it yes it is if you 466 00:18:49,620 --> 00:18:46,779 pay people it can be put together very 467 00:18:52,049 --> 00:18:49,630 nicely it's a package the people that 468 00:18:55,919 --> 00:18:52,059 pay money for they get a CD or magazine 469 00:19:01,110 --> 00:18:55,929 or something and John Ford gets a legal 470 00:19:02,490 --> 00:19:01,120 fund she's saying what right well you 471 00:19:04,950 --> 00:19:02,500 know and its really interesting I 472 00:19:07,590 --> 00:19:04,960 actually would catch your guys show and 473 00:19:09,779 --> 00:19:07,600 a lot of times you would have people on 474 00:19:11,070 --> 00:19:09,789 and people would say you know that 475 00:19:13,740 --> 00:19:11,080 they're working on a project you're 476 00:19:15,360 --> 00:19:13,750 trying to complete a project and they 477 00:19:17,940 --> 00:19:15,370 couldn't find the funds because it's 478 00:19:20,220 --> 00:19:17,950 hard on funds and that was one of the 479 00:19:24,539 --> 00:19:20,230 inspirations I mean I would listen to 480 00:19:27,120 --> 00:19:24,549 tons of paranormal radio and people on 481 00:19:29,100 --> 00:19:27,130 every show it was just hands-down they'd 482 00:19:31,019 --> 00:19:29,110 say oh yeah we'd love to do the research 483 00:19:32,340 --> 00:19:31,029 on that book or we'd love to go and film 484 00:19:34,560 --> 00:19:32,350 that documentary but we don't have the 485 00:19:36,720 --> 00:19:34,570 money we can't we can't do it well 486 00:19:40,260 --> 00:19:36,730 starting with Stanton Friedman I mean 487 00:19:43,680 --> 00:19:40,270 he's every scientist dirty you know 488 00:19:46,799 --> 00:19:43,690 science leading researcher eventually 489 00:19:48,630 --> 00:19:46,809 has to research and you know cook up a 490 00:19:51,690 --> 00:19:48,640 lab and cook up some let's like UFO 491 00:19:53,789 --> 00:19:51,700 hunters you know right but right yeah 492 00:19:57,750 --> 00:19:53,799 yeah what mark what year did you start 493 00:19:58,470 --> 00:19:57,760 thinking along these lines so for me it 494 00:20:02,159 --> 00:19:58,480 happened 495 00:20:04,980 --> 00:20:02,169 when you know I really started listening 496 00:20:07,830 --> 00:20:04,990 to a ton of online internet paranormal 497 00:20:10,260 --> 00:20:07,840 radio and it was when Art Bell came back 498 00:20:13,020 --> 00:20:10,270 from XM and I've been fan for years I 499 00:20:15,240 --> 00:20:13,030 mean for 20 years yeah listen listening 500 00:20:17,960 --> 00:20:15,250 to him forever and I'm 34 so I'm sort of 501 00:20:21,060 --> 00:20:17,970 in that middle generation of tech people 502 00:20:23,850 --> 00:20:21,070 / like old the old way of doing things 503 00:20:27,120 --> 00:20:23,860 before the internet evolved both of 504 00:20:29,549 --> 00:20:27,130 those are in my boyhood so I would be 505 00:20:31,200 --> 00:20:29,559 listening to these shows and it was just 506 00:20:33,120 --> 00:20:31,210 I would just hear it all the time all 507 00:20:35,880 --> 00:20:33,130 the time and then one day I was talking 508 00:20:37,080 --> 00:20:35,890 to Jimmy church and I was telling him 509 00:20:39,240 --> 00:20:37,090 you know it was when the Malibu 510 00:20:41,909 --> 00:20:39,250 underwater base first when he first 511 00:20:43,230 --> 00:20:41,919 started talking about that and so him 512 00:20:44,750 --> 00:20:43,240 and I were talking on the phone and I 513 00:20:47,010 --> 00:20:44,760 said you know you should really 514 00:20:48,990 --> 00:20:47,020 crowdfund that you should get on 515 00:20:53,039 --> 00:20:49,000 Kickstarter or something and try to 516 00:20:55,169 --> 00:20:53,049 raise money for it and he he said that 517 00:20:57,720 --> 00:20:55,179 maybe a you know I'll think about it and 518 00:21:01,020 --> 00:20:57,730 but that's when I told him that sort of 519 00:21:03,120 --> 00:21:01,030 the idea started to turn in my head and 520 00:21:05,940 --> 00:21:03,130 I thought wait a second you know there 521 00:21:07,980 --> 00:21:05,950 should be a place for the paranormal for 522 00:21:10,560 --> 00:21:07,990 people to sit for this community to 523 00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:10,570 support itself and for outsiders to 524 00:21:16,680 --> 00:21:13,210 support truth funders or support 525 00:21:18,270 --> 00:21:16,690 people's projects so the idea kind of 526 00:21:21,600 --> 00:21:18,280 started kicking around and I started 527 00:21:23,789 --> 00:21:21,610 playing with it and doing some research 528 00:21:26,430 --> 00:21:23,799 so I went on a Kickstarter I started 529 00:21:28,289 --> 00:21:26,440 looking typing in UFO aliens you know 530 00:21:30,960 --> 00:21:28,299 trying to find people's projects and 531 00:21:33,450 --> 00:21:30,970 Kickstarter just just like a lot of 532 00:21:35,370 --> 00:21:33,460 places GoFundMe they had a way of 533 00:21:38,039 --> 00:21:35,380 burying these projects and these 534 00:21:39,750 --> 00:21:38,049 projects would not get funded so I 535 00:21:42,090 --> 00:21:39,760 thought well the projects are not 536 00:21:44,610 --> 00:21:42,100 getting funded because nobody cares and 537 00:21:46,770 --> 00:21:44,620 nobody's interested or they're just they 538 00:21:49,500 --> 00:21:46,780 don't have the spotlight they need and 539 00:21:51,120 --> 00:21:49,510 they're they're hidden or you know 540 00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:51,130 people don't know how to market it and 541 00:21:56,760 --> 00:21:54,730 get it out there so the idea for truth 542 00:21:58,140 --> 00:21:56,770 lenders the more I started thinking 543 00:22:00,600 --> 00:21:58,150 about that the more I listen to 544 00:22:01,950 --> 00:22:00,610 different shows people just different 545 00:22:03,510 --> 00:22:01,960 guests would say that they were trying 546 00:22:07,380 --> 00:22:03,520 to raise money or they were doing 547 00:22:09,450 --> 00:22:07,390 projects and so I thought there needs to 548 00:22:11,910 --> 00:22:09,460 be a place that everybody goes to and 549 00:22:14,760 --> 00:22:11,920 stroke the paranormal world and 550 00:22:17,100 --> 00:22:14,770 we do that we support each other we we 551 00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:17,110 get on you know people have the projects 552 00:22:21,600 --> 00:22:19,450 they can come on our radio show or other 553 00:22:23,340 --> 00:22:21,610 people's radio shows but mark what if 554 00:22:26,700 --> 00:22:23,350 the project is a big fraud what are you 555 00:22:29,850 --> 00:22:26,710 going to do well so so far what we've 556 00:22:32,730 --> 00:22:29,860 done is we have been able to they're 557 00:22:35,100 --> 00:22:32,740 sort of a vetting process for it so I 558 00:22:37,340 --> 00:22:35,110 work directly with people there's sort 559 00:22:40,500 --> 00:22:37,350 of three stages to the vetting process 560 00:22:43,710 --> 00:22:40,510 with how they first contact truth 561 00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:43,720 funders and then I actually have human 562 00:22:48,390 --> 00:22:46,090 interaction with them me or someone on 563 00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:48,400 the team will will call them and talk to 564 00:22:52,560 --> 00:22:51,010 them and kind of size it out because you 565 00:22:54,600 --> 00:22:52,570 know i wanna i want to be a platform 566 00:22:58,890 --> 00:22:54,610 open for everybody if someone's talking 567 00:23:00,600 --> 00:22:58,900 about you know there there's all 568 00:23:02,850 --> 00:23:00,610 different all different paths of the 569 00:23:08,010 --> 00:23:02,860 paranormal from some people look at it 570 00:23:10,710 --> 00:23:08,020 like reptilians and you know different 571 00:23:13,110 --> 00:23:10,720 space beings other people look at it 572 00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:13,120 from a ghost perspective other people 573 00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:14,290 look at it from a purely scientific 574 00:23:18,300 --> 00:23:16,090 perspective and won't do anything 575 00:23:21,870 --> 00:23:18,310 without proof and so I want to be able 576 00:23:24,570 --> 00:23:21,880 to give all gambits of you know of these 577 00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:24,580 people the ability if they really 578 00:23:28,230 --> 00:23:25,930 believe in their project and they're 579 00:23:30,990 --> 00:23:28,240 really working towards it the chance to 580 00:23:33,660 --> 00:23:31,000 do it so so there is a betting process 581 00:23:36,270 --> 00:23:33,670 that goes through it and we kind of work 582 00:23:39,750 --> 00:23:36,280 with people and get rid of things that 583 00:23:42,390 --> 00:23:39,760 better fake or faulty or false because 584 00:23:47,370 --> 00:23:42,400 ultimately who has who retains ownership 585 00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:47,380 of the actual let's a good idea or 586 00:23:54,210 --> 00:23:51,010 script or story or book or who owns the 587 00:23:56,850 --> 00:23:54,220 prof inish product does the Creator key 588 00:23:58,650 --> 00:23:56,860 creator yeah a pen do you are you sort 589 00:24:01,410 --> 00:23:58,660 of like the agent for that project for 590 00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:01,420 life the way no not not at all not at 591 00:24:07,230 --> 00:24:04,810 all so it's kind of like let's say 592 00:24:10,170 --> 00:24:07,240 somebody has this wonderful idea they 593 00:24:12,450 --> 00:24:10,180 have a great idea for a book they they 594 00:24:14,670 --> 00:24:12,460 need materials and supplies to create 595 00:24:18,390 --> 00:24:14,680 this book plus they need some money for 596 00:24:20,310 --> 00:24:18,400 research so they have the idea and they 597 00:24:22,770 --> 00:24:20,320 go on to choose funders and they contact 598 00:24:24,660 --> 00:24:22,780 us and we build them a page and they put 599 00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:24,670 it out there and you know there's 600 00:24:28,020 --> 00:24:25,570 different levels that 601 00:24:30,510 --> 00:24:28,030 they create so it's all really up to 602 00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:30,520 them and we do the tech work for them so 603 00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:32,290 we'll build everything out and give it a 604 00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:35,170 place to live well we'll also share it 605 00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:36,850 with our audience will share with other 606 00:24:43,170 --> 00:24:38,650 people's audiences we let people know 607 00:24:45,540 --> 00:24:43,180 that it's out here but it takes a lot of 608 00:24:47,790 --> 00:24:45,550 work for the Creator to do it as well 609 00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:47,800 because they want to you know in order 610 00:24:51,390 --> 00:24:49,450 for it to work really well they have to 611 00:24:52,770 --> 00:24:51,400 really want their project to work and 612 00:24:55,890 --> 00:24:52,780 share it right and you have to have an 613 00:24:58,590 --> 00:24:55,900 end result concrete end result in mind 614 00:25:01,380 --> 00:24:58,600 and I have found the stuff that to me is 615 00:25:03,570 --> 00:25:01,390 irresistible is when at each level you 616 00:25:05,010 --> 00:25:03,580 get which you would which is a good 617 00:25:06,630 --> 00:25:05,020 value for that level you get what you 618 00:25:09,060 --> 00:25:06,640 would have bought anyway you get an 619 00:25:11,220 --> 00:25:09,070 issue of a magazine or you get a t-shirt 620 00:25:13,110 --> 00:25:11,230 or you get you know different things 621 00:25:15,420 --> 00:25:13,120 that you would have gotten any way yeah 622 00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:15,430 you're just kind of pre buying it but so 623 00:25:20,340 --> 00:25:17,170 no I'm just truth funders take a 624 00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:20,350 percentage of the money was raised and 625 00:25:26,850 --> 00:25:23,170 then that's it goodbye it's start a new 626 00:25:30,060 --> 00:25:26,860 project yeah that's it so yeah we take 627 00:25:32,460 --> 00:25:30,070 it's it's five percent and it's I know 628 00:25:36,180 --> 00:25:32,470 that's really incredibly low how are you 629 00:25:39,150 --> 00:25:36,190 staying alive it is incredibly low well 630 00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:39,160 currently were you know we have we have 631 00:25:43,860 --> 00:25:41,650 plans for other things we want to really 632 00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:43,870 build out the website we want it to be a 633 00:25:49,980 --> 00:25:47,890 place that people go to for let's say 634 00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:49,990 you know you guys have a show and maybe 635 00:25:54,090 --> 00:25:52,090 you need a guest and so you could go to 636 00:25:55,710 --> 00:25:54,100 truth funders and you would say okay 637 00:25:57,930 --> 00:25:55,720 whose project looks really cool let's 638 00:25:59,580 --> 00:25:57,940 have them as a good idea or heaven or 639 00:26:01,890 --> 00:25:59,590 listen you know what you might might 640 00:26:05,130 --> 00:26:01,900 benefit you and everybody a lot is if 641 00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:05,140 you could take your your your algorithms 642 00:26:11,340 --> 00:26:08,290 for the website basically and allow for 643 00:26:12,990 --> 00:26:11,350 some kind of trade situation if you 644 00:26:14,820 --> 00:26:13,000 don't feel you're at the level of truth 645 00:26:18,930 --> 00:26:14,830 funders yet you're not completely ready 646 00:26:20,490 --> 00:26:18,940 to either give money or to present a 647 00:26:23,340 --> 00:26:20,500 project but you might want to trade a 648 00:26:25,110 --> 00:26:23,350 little something with folks with each 649 00:26:27,810 --> 00:26:25,120 other and you could kind of build a 650 00:26:30,180 --> 00:26:27,820 small pool of people who have the 651 00:26:34,170 --> 00:26:30,190 beginnings of projects this is a very 652 00:26:36,660 --> 00:26:34,180 lively community for example different 653 00:26:39,450 --> 00:26:36,670 folks who've gotten very elderly have 654 00:26:42,269 --> 00:26:39,460 sent me their little life's Co 655 00:26:44,490 --> 00:26:42,279 election of UFO stuff that's so cool 656 00:26:46,260 --> 00:26:44,500 with the idea that i'm going to scan it 657 00:26:48,539 --> 00:26:46,270 i'm going to scan it in and I'm going to 658 00:26:51,299 --> 00:26:48,549 digitize it basically make it available 659 00:26:53,460 --> 00:26:51,309 for everybody and that's sort of 660 00:26:54,930 --> 00:26:53,470 something I'd like to do and I'm not at 661 00:26:56,820 --> 00:26:54,940 the stage where I could ask for money 662 00:27:00,240 --> 00:26:56,830 for Beckett almost I could almost put it 663 00:27:02,909 --> 00:27:00,250 on a share list that where somebody 664 00:27:04,769 --> 00:27:02,919 would exchange the scout I'll give them 665 00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:04,779 the magazines for the scanning I've done 666 00:27:09,570 --> 00:27:07,210 that with other folks before and yeah 667 00:27:11,310 --> 00:27:09,580 that's that like a nice barter system 668 00:27:13,919 --> 00:27:11,320 the more to use the bottom it might 669 00:27:15,810 --> 00:27:13,929 benefit you yeah that would be read a 670 00:27:18,570 --> 00:27:15,820 little bit and I'm trying to think you 671 00:27:20,159 --> 00:27:18,580 know so what's what's neat is I love 672 00:27:24,930 --> 00:27:20,169 that kind of thinking because that's 673 00:27:28,230 --> 00:27:24,940 super innovative thinking and there's in 674 00:27:31,409 --> 00:27:28,240 some ways it's it's almost like like 675 00:27:33,630 --> 00:27:31,419 Bitcoin but but a little different yeah 676 00:27:35,279 --> 00:27:33,640 and also also mark I think you've got to 677 00:27:37,409 --> 00:27:35,289 keep in mind as you move forward because 678 00:27:39,570 --> 00:27:37,419 you're in a position to do so there's 679 00:27:43,190 --> 00:27:39,580 this new thing I just have discovered in 680 00:27:46,380 --> 00:27:43,200 the world of let's say design or or 681 00:27:48,690 --> 00:27:46,390 product design or customer service or 682 00:27:53,100 --> 00:27:48,700 something and it's it's the button 683 00:27:55,350 --> 00:27:53,110 concept that one push button do you know 684 00:27:57,330 --> 00:27:55,360 what I'm saying by this but you know 685 00:27:59,519 --> 00:27:57,340 it's the pizza button that sort of 686 00:28:01,289 --> 00:27:59,529 started this revolutions and that Apple 687 00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:01,299 watch is going to take advantage of this 688 00:28:05,970 --> 00:28:04,450 kind of technology so you have each of 689 00:28:08,130 --> 00:28:05,980 your art projects almost looks like it 690 00:28:11,700 --> 00:28:08,140 could be a button and push one button 691 00:28:14,159 --> 00:28:11,710 and you're you know you know you're on 692 00:28:16,590 --> 00:28:14,169 that rocket ride yeah so yeah in fact 693 00:28:20,250 --> 00:28:16,600 each each one of these projects so you 694 00:28:22,620 --> 00:28:20,260 can I give I give the creator of the 695 00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:22,630 project their own little scripts and 696 00:28:27,090 --> 00:28:25,210 they put that on the website and so 697 00:28:28,590 --> 00:28:27,100 truth funders basically exists on 698 00:28:31,620 --> 00:28:28,600 different people's websites but it's 699 00:28:33,690 --> 00:28:31,630 just their project so people can click 700 00:28:37,169 --> 00:28:33,700 on it it'll take it'll take them 701 00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:37,179 directly to the page to donate and they 702 00:28:41,070 --> 00:28:39,610 can do everything there but i really i 703 00:28:43,799 --> 00:28:41,080 really like the idea the barter system 704 00:28:47,430 --> 00:28:43,809 there's you know I what I look at it as 705 00:28:51,210 --> 00:28:47,440 is is a hub and at the core of the this 706 00:28:51,910 --> 00:28:51,220 hub for people is you know the projects 707 00:28:54,370 --> 00:28:51,920 and 708 00:28:57,190 --> 00:28:54,380 the crowdfunding but then there's these 709 00:29:00,010 --> 00:28:57,200 little branches that that come off it so 710 00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:00,020 it's being able to hopefully one day do 711 00:29:03,430 --> 00:29:01,850 really cool marketing packages for 712 00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:03,440 people you know cheap marketing 713 00:29:08,170 --> 00:29:05,930 marketing packages where you know for 25 714 00:29:11,380 --> 00:29:08,180 bucks fifty bucks hundred bucks they 715 00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:11,390 could put their project up and get get 716 00:29:16,390 --> 00:29:14,210 it spread to all the right places that 717 00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:16,400 you know well that's exactly like 718 00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:18,410 Bitcoin you're basically making you 719 00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:19,970 could eventually become a Bitcoin 720 00:29:26,410 --> 00:29:23,810 there's a world of supposing I love that 721 00:29:28,780 --> 00:29:26,420 idea but here's the thing a few years 722 00:29:31,420 --> 00:29:28,790 ago way before I really knew what I was 723 00:29:34,270 --> 00:29:31,430 dealing with someone contacted me and 724 00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:34,280 said we would like to use the UFO 725 00:29:38,860 --> 00:29:37,130 letters for bit corner UFO magazine 726 00:29:40,900 --> 00:29:38,870 Bitcoin something like that but do you 727 00:29:43,210 --> 00:29:40,910 want to do it I said sure and they put 728 00:29:45,430 --> 00:29:43,220 it up on the system and and what happens 729 00:29:49,330 --> 00:29:45,440 is it's almost like it's like a beauty 730 00:29:50,890 --> 00:29:49,340 pageant if your name and visuals look 731 00:29:52,180 --> 00:29:50,900 good enough it might become a Bitcoin 732 00:29:55,150 --> 00:29:52,190 people might bid on it and actually 733 00:29:58,900 --> 00:29:55,160 becomes a form of currency but but 734 00:30:01,090 --> 00:29:58,910 meanwhile meanwhile baby steps the first 735 00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:01,100 baby step might be to accept Bitcoin if 736 00:30:06,670 --> 00:30:03,730 you haven't already on your on your site 737 00:30:08,620 --> 00:30:06,680 you see ya so and that's easy enough to 738 00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:08,630 do i'm pretty sure and that kind of a 739 00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:10,730 baguette and the research required to 740 00:30:15,820 --> 00:30:14,090 accept bitcoin will be good for you it 741 00:30:17,530 --> 00:30:15,830 will introduce you to the concept of 742 00:30:20,500 --> 00:30:17,540 bitcoin which is going to be where the 743 00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:20,510 paranormal really needs to live okay and 744 00:30:24,670 --> 00:30:22,130 because we're working spirit aw really 745 00:30:28,300 --> 00:30:24,680 been totally absolutely and you know 746 00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:28,310 that's something that that we try to to 747 00:30:33,430 --> 00:30:30,530 take into consideration too i mean cuz 748 00:30:34,810 --> 00:30:33,440 i'm i'm a part of that world and and 749 00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:34,820 sometimes you don't want to put your 750 00:30:38,710 --> 00:30:36,890 name down or your address down but when 751 00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:38,720 you're ordering something let's say you 752 00:30:44,350 --> 00:30:40,610 know Jessie's i-beam that he just talked 753 00:30:46,180 --> 00:30:44,360 about he has his Roswell I beam and for 754 00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:46,190 twenty-five dollars you can get get a 755 00:30:50,650 --> 00:30:49,010 model sometimes it's important to have a 756 00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:50,660 dress down so you could get whatever you 757 00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:53,330 need sent to you but but it's really 758 00:30:58,570 --> 00:30:55,610 important in this paranormal world to 759 00:31:00,730 --> 00:30:58,580 have some like anonymity and to be an 760 00:31:03,190 --> 00:31:00,740 item s that's what bitcoin gives you the 761 00:31:05,110 --> 00:31:03,200 people pay in Bitcoin who want to and 762 00:31:06,430 --> 00:31:05,120 the people who want and need 763 00:31:09,370 --> 00:31:06,440 do that are already researching how to 764 00:31:10,630 --> 00:31:09,380 do that and then you just accept it and 765 00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:10,640 basically you'll never know who they are 766 00:31:14,830 --> 00:31:11,930 so you can't give up their names 767 00:31:17,710 --> 00:31:14,840 basically its protection for your client 768 00:31:19,750 --> 00:31:17,720 for your for your customers yeah yeah I 769 00:31:22,450 --> 00:31:19,760 love the whole concept I think it's 770 00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:22,460 fantastic I don't envy you the research 771 00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:25,850 job if you are the webmaster because I'm 772 00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:27,890 doing all my sites I'm hand rolling them 773 00:31:32,170 --> 00:31:30,530 they're not wordpress I'm pretty pretty 774 00:31:34,630 --> 00:31:32,180 proud of that that's that that's where 775 00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:34,640 were that's where we're going now that's 776 00:31:39,610 --> 00:31:36,770 that's wonderful and as you really own 777 00:31:42,010 --> 00:31:39,620 it at that point too yeah you got you 778 00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:42,020 guys are fantastic you're such a great 779 00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:45,530 duo in such a great team my story for 780 00:31:50,260 --> 00:31:48,890 how I discovered you is probably there's 781 00:31:52,870 --> 00:31:50,270 probably a lot of people listening that 782 00:31:55,419 --> 00:31:52,880 are sort of in that same same vein of 783 00:31:57,640 --> 00:31:55,429 how they discovered you too so you've 784 00:31:59,860 --> 00:31:57,650 been around forever and you know bill 785 00:32:02,650 --> 00:31:59,870 bill has been a part of one of the 786 00:32:05,049 --> 00:32:02,660 biggest phenomenons and one of the most 787 00:32:06,580 --> 00:32:05,059 incredible books and UFOs right and 788 00:32:08,830 --> 00:32:06,590 remember when that happened we were 789 00:32:11,530 --> 00:32:08,840 brand new comers to the field we didn't 790 00:32:13,150 --> 00:32:11,540 know anybody had never even heard of it 791 00:32:16,570 --> 00:32:13,160 and we were thrust into the center in 792 00:32:20,380 --> 00:32:16,580 1997 and we still feel like outsiders to 793 00:32:23,500 --> 00:32:20,390 be honest it's it is hard you know it is 794 00:32:25,890 --> 00:32:23,510 hard to really fully be accepted why do 795 00:32:30,700 --> 00:32:25,900 you feel that you're still an outsider 796 00:32:32,919 --> 00:32:30,710 well my bill talk we because of the way 797 00:32:34,900 --> 00:32:32,929 we kind of blew into the scene sort of 798 00:32:37,690 --> 00:32:34,910 like a meat-eor it was a New York Times 799 00:32:39,669 --> 00:32:37,700 bestseller for 14 weeks it was on the 800 00:32:42,490 --> 00:32:39,679 front page of the New York Times anjou 801 00:32:45,580 --> 00:32:42,500 the fourth of July 1997 because it was 802 00:32:47,110 --> 00:32:45,590 the 50th anniversary of Roswell and we 803 00:32:51,450 --> 00:32:47,120 were followed around that whole 804 00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:51,460 convention by simon schuster phalanx of 805 00:32:57,760 --> 00:32:55,250 local media and NBC and that's how we 806 00:32:59,950 --> 00:32:57,770 were introduced to the UFO field you it 807 00:33:03,340 --> 00:32:59,960 was not with open arms I mean we were 808 00:33:05,530 --> 00:33:03,350 not we were hated and it's take it took 809 00:33:07,419 --> 00:33:05,540 us years to become friends with the good 810 00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:07,429 guys in the field you know the Kevin 811 00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:09,650 Randall's who just oh they were just at 812 00:33:13,690 --> 00:33:11,330 Stanton Friedman they were just they 813 00:33:15,970 --> 00:33:13,700 were eat chewing nails when Bill was up 814 00:33:18,850 --> 00:33:15,980 there giving his presentations with Gore 815 00:33:21,190 --> 00:33:18,860 so I'll let he'll talk when you come 816 00:33:26,919 --> 00:33:21,200 you know welcome to the field there's a 817 00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:26,929 there's a a long apprenticeship in in in 818 00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:31,090 the UFO field and in order to be 819 00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:34,970 accepted by that community you really 820 00:33:38,230 --> 00:33:36,650 have to serve out your apprenticeship 821 00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:38,240 and the thing with the course of book 822 00:33:45,430 --> 00:33:41,450 with the day after roswell was that our 823 00:33:47,950 --> 00:33:45,440 association with corso came via a Motion 824 00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:47,960 Picture Company it was never from the 825 00:33:53,470 --> 00:33:50,450 world of UFOs it was for a Motion 826 00:33:55,710 --> 00:33:53,480 Picture Company doing something entirely 827 00:33:58,900 --> 00:33:55,720 different was an entirely different 828 00:34:03,130 --> 00:33:58,910 topic and it was only doing the course 829 00:34:05,350 --> 00:34:03,140 of dealing with corso on that topic that 830 00:34:10,149 --> 00:34:05,360 the subject of UFOs came up now of 831 00:34:13,599 --> 00:34:10,159 course I had been involved in talking 832 00:34:17,050 --> 00:34:13,609 about UFOs for at least two to three 833 00:34:19,629 --> 00:34:17,060 years before he crossed the path of the 834 00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:19,639 Motion Picture Company he was out and he 835 00:34:23,530 --> 00:34:21,770 was out in Nevada he was talking to 836 00:34:26,230 --> 00:34:23,540 George Knapp he was talking to other 837 00:34:29,050 --> 00:34:26,240 people people knew about course that one 838 00:34:32,830 --> 00:34:29,060 course I had a history even before that 839 00:34:36,639 --> 00:34:32,840 going all the way back to uh things like 840 00:34:39,639 --> 00:34:36,649 the Kennedy assassination and deals I 841 00:34:41,740 --> 00:34:39,649 loved by the way of la's to not 842 00:34:44,530 --> 00:34:41,750 interrupt you but I loved your [\h__\h] you 843 00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:44,540 had a great show if it was a couple 844 00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:47,450 months ago and you went off on on John F 845 00:34:52,780 --> 00:34:50,330 Kennedy and dr. feelgood and you blew my 846 00:34:54,849 --> 00:34:52,790 mind I think that was one of the like 847 00:34:57,400 --> 00:34:54,859 one of the shows that you guys had where 848 00:34:59,320 --> 00:34:57,410 I was just like what I am and I'm 849 00:35:02,080 --> 00:34:59,330 putting on my fanboy hat on for just a 850 00:35:06,010 --> 00:35:02,090 second that was such that was such a 851 00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:06,020 good show both it like I love the banter 852 00:35:12,550 --> 00:35:08,090 that you both have together and that you 853 00:35:15,550 --> 00:35:12,560 bring to to the internet radio field but 854 00:35:18,070 --> 00:35:15,560 also that show particularly john f 855 00:35:20,349 --> 00:35:18,080 kennedy and dr. feelgood I'd you took me 856 00:35:22,630 --> 00:35:20,359 to a whole whole other place and that I 857 00:35:24,730 --> 00:35:22,640 totally like I got it like I felt like I 858 00:35:26,230 --> 00:35:24,740 got it for the first time I'm sorry I 859 00:35:28,230 --> 00:35:26,240 don't mean I like you but but I wanted 860 00:35:32,050 --> 00:35:28,240 to just say it's been a conscious effort 861 00:35:34,060 --> 00:35:32,060 I'm not a polished radio person but I 862 00:35:36,670 --> 00:35:34,070 love the radio and I love a real feeling 863 00:35:40,110 --> 00:35:36,680 show not a just not a professionally 864 00:35:42,100 --> 00:35:40,120 polished one where it's kind of 865 00:35:44,650 --> 00:35:42,110 professionals know is the best word I 866 00:35:46,690 --> 00:35:44,660 it's oily a little bit and you feel like 867 00:35:48,490 --> 00:35:46,700 you're wasting your time by listening 868 00:35:51,340 --> 00:35:48,500 like you've just watched an infomercial 869 00:35:54,370 --> 00:35:51,350 or something right but but real radio is 870 00:35:55,660 --> 00:35:54,380 sort of I don't know why it's needed so 871 00:35:57,910 --> 00:35:55,670 much now with the Internet age but 872 00:36:00,880 --> 00:35:57,920 probably because everybody who's got a 873 00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:00,890 computer open can also put earphones on 874 00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:02,450 and listen to something else while they 875 00:36:09,340 --> 00:36:06,170 crunch numbers or you know run you know 876 00:36:12,490 --> 00:36:09,350 walls of code right and not only that i 877 00:36:14,620 --> 00:36:12,500 think i think really mainstream and and 878 00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:14,630 stop me if you guys if you guys disagree 879 00:36:20,290 --> 00:36:18,050 please but i think terrestrial radio 880 00:36:21,970 --> 00:36:20,300 like there's some some great big strong 881 00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:21,980 holds out there obviously coast to coast 882 00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:24,290 is is a stronghold in the terrestrial 883 00:36:29,950 --> 00:36:27,770 radio center but a lot of that stuff i 884 00:36:31,780 --> 00:36:29,960 mean the big guys have come in they've 885 00:36:33,970 --> 00:36:31,790 they've cut it they bought everything 886 00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:33,980 out and then they took these great djs 887 00:36:38,230 --> 00:36:35,810 that you know you used to drive from 888 00:36:40,540 --> 00:36:38,240 town to town and you would hear a 889 00:36:42,010 --> 00:36:40,550 different DJ in each city and you would 890 00:36:43,930 --> 00:36:42,020 feel connected they would play their own 891 00:36:46,210 --> 00:36:43,940 music I kind of talk about their own 892 00:36:48,580 --> 00:36:46,220 stuff they were right and yeah and I 893 00:36:51,190 --> 00:36:48,590 remember that you know even back in the 894 00:36:54,730 --> 00:36:51,200 in the early 90s it was still still like 895 00:36:57,220 --> 00:36:54,740 that and it probably less so but but 896 00:36:59,620 --> 00:36:57,230 more so than it is now nowadays they 897 00:37:02,410 --> 00:36:59,630 just came in they've hacked everyone 898 00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:02,420 away I've noticed that every month or 899 00:37:06,790 --> 00:37:04,850 every few months there's new new great 900 00:37:08,740 --> 00:37:06,800 guys that were out there that were just 901 00:37:12,070 --> 00:37:08,750 fired and they lay off some of the best 902 00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:12,080 talent that talent winds up going to XM 903 00:37:17,980 --> 00:37:14,930 or to online radio and what we're seeing 904 00:37:19,420 --> 00:37:17,990 is is all the great radio that everyone 905 00:37:21,910 --> 00:37:19,430 used to listen to and actually care 906 00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:21,920 about has moved online and so people's 907 00:37:25,720 --> 00:37:24,050 attention have moved online because they 908 00:37:29,380 --> 00:37:25,730 don't want to throw the same songs the 909 00:37:31,930 --> 00:37:29,390 same DJ on like you know Ryan Seacrest 910 00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:31,940 sure he's good at what he does but he's 911 00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:34,010 college all across the nation you know 912 00:37:39,250 --> 00:37:36,050 he's on every single channel it's like 913 00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:39,260 it's it's it is big brother in some way 914 00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:41,890 it's like the entertainment guy that uh 915 00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:44,930 you know is also and you know it's funny 916 00:37:49,100 --> 00:37:45,690 because there's also 917 00:37:50,750 --> 00:37:49,110 an issue of armed personal intimacy with 918 00:37:53,030 --> 00:37:50,760 your computer or your iPhone or 919 00:37:57,650 --> 00:37:53,040 something like that area that plan so 920 00:38:00,980 --> 00:37:57,660 armed terrestrial radio arm professional 921 00:38:04,580 --> 00:38:00,990 radio losses that form of intimacy when 922 00:38:08,540 --> 00:38:04,590 you think of the two people who really 923 00:38:11,870 --> 00:38:08,550 created the genre of nighttime talk 924 00:38:14,930 --> 00:38:11,880 paranormal radio Long John marble back 925 00:38:19,310 --> 00:38:14,940 in the fifties and 1960s and then that 926 00:38:22,850 --> 00:38:19,320 mantle past at work now and so there was 927 00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:22,860 a personal intimacy listening to both of 928 00:38:28,700 --> 00:38:26,850 them because you knew that you felt that 929 00:38:30,590 --> 00:38:28,710 they weren't talking to an audience of a 930 00:38:33,530 --> 00:38:30,600 million people they were talking 931 00:38:36,260 --> 00:38:33,540 directly to you and asking the questions 932 00:38:38,540 --> 00:38:36,270 of these really sometimes weird guests 933 00:38:42,380 --> 00:38:38,550 questions that you would ask so like 934 00:38:46,670 --> 00:38:42,390 every man's radio and that really now 935 00:38:49,970 --> 00:38:46,680 defines um nighttime internet radio in 936 00:38:52,820 --> 00:38:49,980 the paranormal yeah right and you guys I 937 00:38:55,730 --> 00:38:52,830 mean you you I don't know if it's 938 00:38:57,770 --> 00:38:55,740 probably been a work in progress you 939 00:39:01,220 --> 00:38:57,780 know but that I think you guys encompass 940 00:39:03,770 --> 00:39:01,230 that I mean when I listen to you too you 941 00:39:07,580 --> 00:39:03,780 know i'm on i'm in california you guys 942 00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:07,590 are on the east coast I I love it it's 943 00:39:11,060 --> 00:39:09,450 like almost like listening and don't 944 00:39:13,730 --> 00:39:11,070 take this in a bad way because this is a 945 00:39:15,770 --> 00:39:13,740 great parents your parents you're 946 00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:15,780 totally my parents you're telling my 947 00:39:19,310 --> 00:39:17,970 parents there that a song they're from 948 00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:19,320 New York you know they moved out to 949 00:39:25,130 --> 00:39:21,770 California they spawned me and my sister 950 00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:25,140 and so I did your parents do for a 951 00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:29,490 living my dad is a geologist and my my 952 00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:34,410 mom is a she she talked like special ed 953 00:39:42,410 --> 00:39:37,770 for many years oh well so so you come 954 00:39:44,180 --> 00:39:42,420 from educators and yes yeah I know you 955 00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:44,190 had so you're up in the Bay Area now 956 00:39:48,980 --> 00:39:47,130 right yeah yeah so so I'm here in the 957 00:39:52,310 --> 00:39:48,990 bay and it's it's great though because I 958 00:39:54,590 --> 00:39:52,320 listen to you guys and it's truly I I 959 00:39:56,900 --> 00:39:54,600 know you know we don't know each other 960 00:39:58,940 --> 00:39:56,910 from Adam but I truly feel that it is 961 00:39:59,310 --> 00:39:58,950 that experience and I think that's what 962 00:40:01,710 --> 00:39:59,320 you 963 00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:01,720 are giving to people that are listening 964 00:40:05,940 --> 00:40:04,570 in and I'm sure that there's there's 965 00:40:07,650 --> 00:40:05,950 people listening to this show right now 966 00:40:10,230 --> 00:40:07,660 that are shaking their head up and down 967 00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:10,240 yes they totally do I mean that's that's 968 00:40:14,550 --> 00:40:12,490 what you guys bring an extreme hate mail 969 00:40:18,420 --> 00:40:14,560 as you know so I often talk about it but 970 00:40:22,230 --> 00:40:18,430 you know what to on today's news if you 971 00:40:25,140 --> 00:40:22,240 follow the news at all Rand Paul has 972 00:40:27,750 --> 00:40:25,150 announced his he wants to be President 973 00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:27,760 and so he did a round of newscast this 974 00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:30,610 morning and he started to berate the 975 00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:32,290 newscaster telling her you know how she 976 00:40:36,690 --> 00:40:35,050 should be doing it in sure sure and the 977 00:40:39,390 --> 00:40:36,700 people there's actually a word for what 978 00:40:43,650 --> 00:40:39,400 he was doing I'm so gratified and the 979 00:40:45,690 --> 00:40:43,660 word is mansplaining or mansplaining 980 00:40:49,350 --> 00:40:45,700 bill can say it properly manse manse 981 00:40:52,830 --> 00:40:49,360 playing it's basically were guy is 982 00:40:55,740 --> 00:40:52,840 beating up um from the point of view of 983 00:40:58,560 --> 00:40:55,750 willingness by Virginia will demonstrate 984 00:41:01,680 --> 00:40:58,570 bill can't bill can hit bill can weave 985 00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:01,690 his voice like a symphony through 986 00:41:06,270 --> 00:41:04,090 anybody else's voice and kind of do his 987 00:41:10,230 --> 00:41:06,280 thing but a lot of guys really resent 988 00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:10,240 being interrupted and the and I've had 989 00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:13,450 such type as heroes of mine I can't wait 990 00:41:18,060 --> 00:41:15,690 to talk to them I get tongue-tied I 991 00:41:20,430 --> 00:41:18,070 can't get my words and people will not 992 00:41:21,930 --> 00:41:20,440 let me speak or the radio I don't know 993 00:41:23,310 --> 00:41:21,940 and when I finally come through it 994 00:41:26,070 --> 00:41:23,320 sounds like I'm interrupting them and 995 00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:26,080 then they get mad and they see no and so 996 00:41:30,510 --> 00:41:28,210 and so that's been we've been on the air 997 00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:30,520 for five years now but it's almost as 998 00:41:33,660 --> 00:41:31,810 though the world's come around to this 999 00:41:38,490 --> 00:41:33,670 way of talking it's like women really 1000 00:41:40,290 --> 00:41:38,500 I'm so enthusiastic I may not know how 1001 00:41:43,470 --> 00:41:40,300 to even frame the question but I really 1002 00:41:45,390 --> 00:41:43,480 am but but in the same vein I'm a 1003 00:41:47,550 --> 00:41:45,400 professional reporter and I will bring 1004 00:41:49,980 --> 00:41:47,560 home the story no matter what so if I 1005 00:41:51,860 --> 00:41:49,990 feel someone's hiding something I'm 1006 00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:51,870 going to just blurt out the question 1007 00:41:56,850 --> 00:41:54,490 yeah and and that's great I mean that's 1008 00:42:00,030 --> 00:41:56,860 it that's truth right right there and 1009 00:42:03,030 --> 00:42:00,040 and and also you know from an outsider's 1010 00:42:05,220 --> 00:42:03,040 perspective listening to your show it's 1011 00:42:08,250 --> 00:42:05,230 you guys are you guys are this team and 1012 00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:08,260 it's this organic team and it's it's 1013 00:42:12,180 --> 00:42:09,970 really cool an angel thrown in the mix 1014 00:42:14,910 --> 00:42:12,190 is he's really fun to 1015 00:42:19,980 --> 00:42:14,920 but when when Bill you're talking right 1016 00:42:22,050 --> 00:42:19,990 and you just go on these these peels and 1017 00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:22,060 one thing next to another and my mind 1018 00:42:27,990 --> 00:42:24,490 works like you I just I'm look the same 1019 00:42:30,900 --> 00:42:28,000 way I just go guess what guys you guys 1020 00:42:32,700 --> 00:42:30,910 are the future men because men are 1021 00:42:34,859 --> 00:42:32,710 becoming more feminine and what I mean 1022 00:42:37,319 --> 00:42:34,869 by that is you can think in a web of 1023 00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:37,329 thoughts all at once you don't have to 1024 00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:39,210 have a linear you're not out there just 1025 00:42:44,010 --> 00:42:42,490 gathering you know having to shoot a 1026 00:42:46,319 --> 00:42:44,020 deer with a bow and arrow is they have 1027 00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:46,329 to be very linear and keep focused no 1028 00:42:52,079 --> 00:42:50,410 women multi in the world's becoming this 1029 00:42:53,910 --> 00:42:52,089 web of thoughts all at the same time I 1030 00:42:56,190 --> 00:42:53,920 can tell you I'm doing like four things 1031 00:42:58,650 --> 00:42:56,200 right now I have a fire in a fireplace 1032 00:42:59,880 --> 00:42:58,660 so forth and and and you're you're 1033 00:43:02,940 --> 00:42:59,890 learning how to do that you must have 1034 00:43:04,859 --> 00:43:02,950 been raised by very very smart women so 1035 00:43:07,230 --> 00:43:04,869 that you learned how to speak and let 1036 00:43:09,030 --> 00:43:07,240 women speak without me feeling like a 1037 00:43:12,180 --> 00:43:09,040 fool for having finally broken through 1038 00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:12,190 the wall of sound well there's there's 1039 00:43:18,150 --> 00:43:14,050 no reason why you should sound like a 1040 00:43:21,240 --> 00:43:18,160 fool ever it's in fact yes it's great 1041 00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:21,250 like you so bill bill will be talking 1042 00:43:26,309 --> 00:43:23,890 and you'll you'll keep them in check in 1043 00:43:28,380 --> 00:43:26,319 some ways and there I am listening to 1044 00:43:31,079 --> 00:43:28,390 you guys and cracking up because you 1045 00:43:32,849 --> 00:43:31,089 wish I would just shut up sometimes well 1046 00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:32,859 and you all like we all need to shut up 1047 00:43:38,130 --> 00:43:35,530 sometimes mark let me tell you where 1048 00:43:40,380 --> 00:43:38,140 that comes from before we ever had our 1049 00:43:42,329 --> 00:43:40,390 show it's been five years now so before 1050 00:43:45,270 --> 00:43:42,339 that there was another whole era of 1051 00:43:47,430 --> 00:43:45,280 internet radio that's now long gone for 1052 00:43:49,559 --> 00:43:47,440 the paranormal very big fights were 1053 00:43:52,020 --> 00:43:49,569 happening in internet radio in the 1054 00:43:54,329 --> 00:43:52,030 paranormal and bill was on a lot of 1055 00:43:57,990 --> 00:43:54,339 different shows and he was also in UFO 1056 00:43:59,760 --> 00:43:58,000 hunters and you know what the message 1057 00:44:01,589 --> 00:43:59,770 boards must have been like back in the 1058 00:44:05,339 --> 00:44:01,599 days when those on UFO hunters the 1059 00:44:07,109 --> 00:44:05,349 hatred was knee-deep and these and bill 1060 00:44:09,120 --> 00:44:07,119 would be on all these radio shows and he 1061 00:44:11,940 --> 00:44:09,130 had a habit of just droning on and on 1062 00:44:15,510 --> 00:44:11,950 and on because he got used to it with 1063 00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:15,520 nori no offense nori would let him just 1064 00:44:18,359 --> 00:44:17,050 go on and on and on and maybe do other 1065 00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:18,369 things I don't know what a lot of radio 1066 00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:20,890 guys and the old days did that and so 1067 00:44:24,900 --> 00:44:23,170 bill had this terrible reputation of oh 1068 00:44:25,770 --> 00:44:24,910 god he puts me to sleep I can't bear am 1069 00:44:27,720 --> 00:44:25,780 I want him to shut up 1070 00:44:30,240 --> 00:44:27,730 and so we stood we start at the radio 1071 00:44:32,330 --> 00:44:30,250 show we knew that if I interrupted him a 1072 00:44:35,090 --> 00:44:32,340 lot and could kind of shape him into a 1073 00:44:39,450 --> 00:44:35,100 conversationalist instead of a teacher 1074 00:44:41,370 --> 00:44:39,460 people would love and it's backfired now 1075 00:44:43,890 --> 00:44:41,380 he doesn't get to speak enough most 1076 00:44:46,710 --> 00:44:43,900 people so whether you but then you know 1077 00:44:48,720 --> 00:44:46,720 in uh there's this great book written by 1078 00:44:50,340 --> 00:44:48,730 this woman Liz Wiseman called 1079 00:44:54,120 --> 00:44:50,350 multipliers and she brings up the fact 1080 00:44:55,770 --> 00:44:54,130 in it that if the less you speak like if 1081 00:44:58,200 --> 00:44:55,780 you're if you're in a meeting a business 1082 00:45:02,340 --> 00:44:58,210 meeting and I actually use this use this 1083 00:45:05,730 --> 00:45:02,350 when I'm in in big meetings i play my 1084 00:45:07,620 --> 00:45:05,740 chips right so I choose or select you 1085 00:45:09,240 --> 00:45:07,630 know three things that I want to say 1086 00:45:11,310 --> 00:45:09,250 three points that I want to bring up and 1087 00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:11,320 I remain fairly silent throughout most 1088 00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:13,690 of the meeting but then when I do have 1089 00:45:18,150 --> 00:45:15,970 my point people are listening because 1090 00:45:21,300 --> 00:45:18,160 they they really want to know what's 1091 00:45:24,240 --> 00:45:21,310 going on yeah one word when I'm with my 1092 00:45:26,430 --> 00:45:24,250 friends it's a different story I talk 1093 00:45:28,830 --> 00:45:26,440 and talk and talk and it's like you know 1094 00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:28,840 no but you're so smart because I've done 1095 00:45:31,860 --> 00:45:30,370 that I've waited the whole meeting to 1096 00:45:34,830 --> 00:45:31,870 say something and by that time I'm so 1097 00:45:38,070 --> 00:45:34,840 terrified terrified that I couldn't pass 1098 00:45:41,310 --> 00:45:38,080 that I'm going to just mentally think of 1099 00:45:42,810 --> 00:45:41,320 a pointer to not just I've got the floor 1100 00:45:44,100 --> 00:45:42,820 I've got that on the radio a lot I 1101 00:45:45,900 --> 00:45:44,110 finally get a chance to talk and I 1102 00:45:48,210 --> 00:45:45,910 forget what I was gonna say and I free 1103 00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:48,220 this no but notice how much we did um uh 1104 00:45:53,130 --> 00:45:50,650 when I was back in college was a long 1105 00:45:55,410 --> 00:45:53,140 time ago uh well we had a meeting with 1106 00:45:56,820 --> 00:45:55,420 the dean of students and so I was a 1107 00:46:02,160 --> 00:45:56,830 think it was sophomore class president 1108 00:46:04,830 --> 00:46:02,170 or something and so the the person who 1109 00:46:07,550 --> 00:46:04,840 is taking me to the meeting said look 1110 00:46:10,260 --> 00:46:07,560 this Dean of Students talks on and on so 1111 00:46:13,020 --> 00:46:10,270 what you do is you just sit in the 1112 00:46:16,170 --> 00:46:13,030 meeting and shut up don't even say a 1113 00:46:18,990 --> 00:46:16,180 word going to the meeting I do exactly 1114 00:46:21,690 --> 00:46:19,000 that I sit there the talk is going on 1115 00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:21,700 all over the place around me I don't say 1116 00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:25,690 a word we leave the meeting and so I 1117 00:46:30,210 --> 00:46:28,450 find out the following day or the 1118 00:46:31,740 --> 00:46:30,220 following couple of days that the Dean 1119 00:46:33,870 --> 00:46:31,750 of Students said boy you know that uh 1120 00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:33,880 that bill burns he was real he was 1121 00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:35,410 really good not meeting usually some 1122 00:46:39,670 --> 00:46:37,890 more than that meeting and so sometimes 1123 00:46:41,559 --> 00:46:39,680 less is definite 1124 00:46:43,089 --> 00:46:41,569 more just don't say anything sometimes 1125 00:46:46,270 --> 00:46:43,099 and people will think you're a genius 1126 00:46:48,520 --> 00:46:46,280 this fright will tell you looked at for 1127 00:46:50,230 --> 00:46:48,530 Bill tell people what happened in our 1128 00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:50,240 whole early career when we had 1129 00:46:54,579 --> 00:46:52,490 shadowland press a company I invented 1130 00:46:58,089 --> 00:46:54,589 but eventually bill had to be the kind 1131 00:47:02,020 --> 00:46:58,099 of guy there was no listening to women 1132 00:47:05,770 --> 00:47:02,030 at that era in the 80s bill can tell you 1133 00:47:08,290 --> 00:47:05,780 we it's a it's a joke between us yeah it 1134 00:47:11,559 --> 00:47:08,300 is no no don't know you know yeah yeah 1135 00:47:14,170 --> 00:47:11,569 go ahead no it really is a joke arm the 1136 00:47:16,059 --> 00:47:14,180 arm we would have these meetings and 1137 00:47:19,390 --> 00:47:16,069 Nancy would talk and Nancy would lay out 1138 00:47:22,680 --> 00:47:19,400 our points and and and and very creative 1139 00:47:25,180 --> 00:47:22,690 doing designs coming up with strategies 1140 00:47:26,470 --> 00:47:25,190 the meaning would go on and on people 1141 00:47:30,130 --> 00:47:26,480 would be talking to guys would be 1142 00:47:32,380 --> 00:47:30,140 talking and I'd make one point which was 1143 00:47:35,740 --> 00:47:32,390 really repeating something Nancy had 1144 00:47:39,099 --> 00:47:35,750 said but it wasn't somebody Oh is very 1145 00:47:40,780 --> 00:47:39,109 brief you a short point yeah but it was 1146 00:47:42,430 --> 00:47:40,790 literally what Nancy had said earlier 1147 00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:42,440 the meaning of somebody with it that is 1148 00:47:53,380 --> 00:47:51,190 yeah and so much and it happens it has 1149 00:47:58,120 --> 00:47:53,390 happened at least two or three times in 1150 00:48:01,420 --> 00:47:58,130 the course of our 243 shows at least two 1151 00:48:02,770 --> 00:48:01,430 or three times and we were remarking it 1152 00:48:05,260 --> 00:48:02,780 the last time it happened it was fresh 1153 00:48:06,490 --> 00:48:05,270 in my mind and the guy was finally 1154 00:48:08,799 --> 00:48:06,500 saying bill was saying something like 1155 00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:08,809 well it's time to go and the guy was 1156 00:48:15,030 --> 00:48:12,410 like brilliant oh yeah yeah that was a 1157 00:48:19,990 --> 00:48:15,040 couple weeks ago right yeah you never 1158 00:48:22,390 --> 00:48:20,000 compete with each other on oh no not 1159 00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:22,400 know we compete like crazy with each 1160 00:48:26,380 --> 00:48:25,010 other but in smart in smart areas i 1161 00:48:29,500 --> 00:48:26,390 would never compete with Bill on 1162 00:48:33,910 --> 00:48:29,510 anything like this this is Bill's 1163 00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:33,920 territory but I'm hoping he wouldn't try 1164 00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:35,930 to compete well I'm not going to go 1165 00:48:42,579 --> 00:48:39,290 there no no we don't concede on the 1166 00:48:45,069 --> 00:48:42,589 radio there's no point hosts who compete 1167 00:48:48,520 --> 00:48:45,079 with each other on the radio really have 1168 00:48:50,890 --> 00:48:48,530 a failed show I knew that I mean you've 1169 00:48:52,420 --> 00:48:50,900 seen that sometimes I 1170 00:48:55,750 --> 00:48:52,430 I think there's a big blow up right now 1171 00:48:58,359 --> 00:48:55,760 with Opie and Anthony yeah yeah there 1172 00:49:03,279 --> 00:48:58,369 was a big blow up with them right ope 1173 00:49:04,569 --> 00:49:03,289 got fired that's right ah and yeah it's 1174 00:49:07,539 --> 00:49:04,579 it's crazy you know you guys 1175 00:49:09,849 --> 00:49:07,549 unfortunately art who was the the main 1176 00:49:12,789 --> 00:49:09,859 host of the show I'm just the lowly CEO 1177 00:49:15,339 --> 00:49:12,799 co-host that that joins him and rattles 1178 00:49:17,890 --> 00:49:15,349 rattles off my I wanted to talk to him 1179 00:49:20,650 --> 00:49:17,900 I'm anxious to talk to him yeah here he 1180 00:49:22,470 --> 00:49:20,660 is he's fantastic he's just incredible a 1181 00:49:27,849 --> 00:49:22,480 real pro and he's been in the world 1182 00:49:29,980 --> 00:49:27,859 especially he's sort of helped to build 1183 00:49:31,480 --> 00:49:29,990 up some of this new internet radio some 1184 00:49:35,589 --> 00:49:31,490 of the new channels that are coming out 1185 00:49:38,950 --> 00:49:35,599 and stations he helped to produce drew 1186 00:49:42,069 --> 00:49:38,960 dr. Drew's new online show and Russell 1187 00:49:43,660 --> 00:49:42,079 Brand's online show and now a bunch of a 1188 00:49:45,339 --> 00:49:43,670 bunch of people he's and he's been in 1189 00:49:46,930 --> 00:49:45,349 the business for a while he's a really 1190 00:49:49,690 --> 00:49:46,940 young guy though but he's been doing 1191 00:49:53,349 --> 00:49:49,700 this since he was he was even younger I 1192 00:49:56,470 --> 00:49:53,359 was Eddie what was he working out of so 1193 00:50:00,370 --> 00:49:56,480 he works in Los Angeles and yeah and so 1194 00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:00,380 we met I used to work I I used to create 1195 00:50:06,010 --> 00:50:04,010 shows so a little bit about me is I I 1196 00:50:08,079 --> 00:50:06,020 would create videos and I was a senior 1197 00:50:11,559 --> 00:50:08,089 director and create television shows for 1198 00:50:14,319 --> 00:50:11,569 Hulu and Yahoo and MSN sort of the 1199 00:50:17,620 --> 00:50:14,329 digital world and i created a 1200 00:50:20,349 --> 00:50:17,630 interactive online application superfan 1201 00:50:22,630 --> 00:50:20,359 application for the TV show Glee which 1202 00:50:24,789 --> 00:50:22,640 is not my favorite show by any means but 1203 00:50:26,859 --> 00:50:24,799 it was work and that you know I I took 1204 00:50:29,079 --> 00:50:26,869 it and accepted the challenge and I 1205 00:50:31,420 --> 00:50:29,089 really loved it because it was a mix of 1206 00:50:33,730 --> 00:50:31,430 video and social and Emma did you how 1207 00:50:35,950 --> 00:50:33,740 did you program your app did you use a 1208 00:50:39,250 --> 00:50:35,960 middleman or did you program at yourself 1209 00:50:40,750 --> 00:50:39,260 I worked it was it was with a company 1210 00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:40,760 that I was working with so we all work 1211 00:50:45,250 --> 00:50:42,650 together and now be okay the head of 1212 00:50:48,670 --> 00:50:45,260 that and and program did we we used our 1213 00:50:52,329 --> 00:50:48,680 own technology that was based off of XML 1214 00:50:54,130 --> 00:50:52,339 and it was a brand new technology that a 1215 00:50:56,470 --> 00:50:54,140 lot of a lot of companies are starting 1216 00:50:58,450 --> 00:50:56,480 to crop up and use it but it was really 1217 00:51:01,269 --> 00:50:58,460 cool is it was interactive video 1218 00:51:03,940 --> 00:51:01,279 technology so let's say i have the ipad 1219 00:51:04,839 --> 00:51:03,950 and i'm watching TV what's happening on 1220 00:51:07,180 --> 00:51:04,849 the TV is a 1221 00:51:12,160 --> 00:51:07,190 affecting my iPad like there's bonus 1222 00:51:14,140 --> 00:51:12,170 facts yet pain is happening walls wow so 1223 00:51:17,650 --> 00:51:14,150 you hook it you're hooking somehow into 1224 00:51:20,499 --> 00:51:17,660 the actual video is over yeah through 1225 00:51:23,559 --> 00:51:20,509 the cable box but but online so i 1226 00:51:25,450 --> 00:51:23,569 created this little app and and it was 1227 00:51:28,749 --> 00:51:25,460 really cool and it was nominated for uh 1228 00:51:30,670 --> 00:51:28,759 for an interactive Primetime Emmy and so 1229 00:51:32,739 --> 00:51:30,680 so I kind of got me out there a little 1230 00:51:34,479 --> 00:51:32,749 bit my name out a little bit and I was 1231 00:51:36,729 --> 00:51:34,489 able to connect with some people one of 1232 00:51:39,519 --> 00:51:36,739 the people I connected with was art and 1233 00:51:41,739 --> 00:51:39,529 because i was looking to do some some 1234 00:51:44,529 --> 00:51:41,749 audio stuff for another project that I 1235 00:51:46,269 --> 00:51:44,539 was working on and I found him and him 1236 00:51:51,370 --> 00:51:46,279 and I hit it off just off the bat and 1237 00:51:52,809 --> 00:51:51,380 and he was programming a music show so 1238 00:51:55,180 --> 00:51:52,819 it was like all music and it was all 1239 00:51:56,469 --> 00:51:55,190 independent rock and I just broken up 1240 00:51:59,200 --> 00:51:56,479 with my girlfriend and I was listening 1241 00:52:01,509 --> 00:51:59,210 to this this radio station and this 1242 00:52:03,940 --> 00:52:01,519 online radio station helped me not think 1243 00:52:06,849 --> 00:52:03,950 about my girlfriend at all my ex because 1244 00:52:09,130 --> 00:52:06,859 it was all new musical so I wrote to art 1245 00:52:10,599 --> 00:52:09,140 and he wrote back and we became buddies 1246 00:52:13,719 --> 00:52:10,609 and started working on a couple of 1247 00:52:15,729 --> 00:52:13,729 projects together and so now he's he's 1248 00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:15,739 the main host of the show and well 1249 00:52:19,839 --> 00:52:18,410 that's like you're on your comp you I'm 1250 00:52:21,400 --> 00:52:19,849 sorry what was ill very less than you so 1251 00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:21,410 you guys would have had a blast with him 1252 00:52:25,660 --> 00:52:23,210 tonight well I hope we hope we come back 1253 00:52:27,729 --> 00:52:25,670 I hope we all stay friends and talk you 1254 00:52:30,309 --> 00:52:27,739 know elsewhere and you know besides just 1255 00:52:33,489 --> 00:52:30,319 Twitter but with your combination of 1256 00:52:36,279 --> 00:52:33,499 talents have you approached Art Bell to 1257 00:52:41,289 --> 00:52:36,289 perhaps offer your services because of 1258 00:52:43,660 --> 00:52:41,299 his great love of music as part of the 1259 00:52:45,339 --> 00:52:43,670 kind of fabric of the show it just 1260 00:52:47,349 --> 00:52:45,349 sounds like you some of the things you 1261 00:52:50,099 --> 00:52:47,359 already know about the new the new world 1262 00:52:52,120 --> 00:52:50,109 of creating a show I think sounds 1263 00:52:54,700 --> 00:52:52,130 fundamentally different it almost sounds 1264 00:52:57,099 --> 00:52:54,710 like the difference between film and 1265 00:52:59,829 --> 00:52:57,109 remember one film and digital we're 1266 00:53:02,589 --> 00:52:59,839 fighting it out sure core yeah sounds 1267 00:53:05,829 --> 00:53:02,599 like it's worth another crossroads yeah 1268 00:53:07,660 --> 00:53:05,839 I think I think we are and with that 1269 00:53:10,299 --> 00:53:07,670 being said we're going to take a quick 1270 00:53:11,589 --> 00:53:10,309 break I I can't wait to talk to you guys 1271 00:53:13,660 --> 00:53:11,599 there's a couple other things I want to 1272 00:53:16,359 --> 00:53:13,670 ask you specifically about about your 1273 00:53:17,390 --> 00:53:16,369 show and sort of to think about over the 1274 00:53:21,350 --> 00:53:17,400 break 1275 00:53:23,810 --> 00:53:21,360 where you feel the future of online 1276 00:53:25,790 --> 00:53:23,820 radio is going and maybe what's 1277 00:53:28,040 --> 00:53:25,800 happening with terrestrial what what 1278 00:53:31,160 --> 00:53:28,050 kind of things are you see in the future 1279 00:53:33,290 --> 00:53:31,170 was its future theater this future 1280 00:53:35,660 --> 00:53:33,300 theater and I got it I've heard it 1281 00:53:37,550 --> 00:53:35,670 before but I've want to get to the name 1282 00:53:39,560 --> 00:53:37,560 cuz the name has always drawn me and 1283 00:53:41,630 --> 00:53:39,570 I've always been fascinated by your your 1284 00:53:43,850 --> 00:53:41,640 name and i needa get bill to talk a 1285 00:53:45,590 --> 00:53:43,860 little bit more to I feel bad I'm you 1286 00:53:49,160 --> 00:53:45,600 guys are the guests but you get me talk 1287 00:53:52,070 --> 00:53:49,170 so I'll slow down it's a it's a it's a 1288 00:53:53,990 --> 00:53:52,080 trilogy it's not I don't want to say 1289 00:53:57,080 --> 00:53:54,000 threesome because that sounds bad you 1290 00:53:59,570 --> 00:53:57,090 can try it it's at all riot it right it 1291 00:54:01,850 --> 00:53:59,580 is a triad Sharia and we can after the 1292 00:54:04,580 --> 00:54:01,860 break to we can take some calls and we 1293 00:54:08,030 --> 00:54:04,590 can become a quar ad I don't think 1294 00:54:12,890 --> 00:54:08,040 that's right word at all a quartet swing 1295 00:54:15,170 --> 00:54:12,900 what keV is the word yeah all right guys 1296 00:54:17,240 --> 00:54:15,180 um you're listening a truth thunders 1297 00:54:19,040 --> 00:54:17,250 radio we're going to go ahead and take a 1298 00:54:22,760 --> 00:54:19,050 break right now and we'll be right back 1299 00:54:26,090 --> 00:54:22,770 and get your calls responders radio on 1300 00:54:28,520 --> 00:54:26,100 the inception radio network are you a 1301 00:54:30,200 --> 00:54:28,530 fan of inception radio network do you 1302 00:54:32,480 --> 00:54:30,210 reckon it's the best alternative talk 1303 00:54:35,080 --> 00:54:32,490 radio station on the planet well if you 1304 00:54:37,840 --> 00:54:35,090 do head to facebook.com forward slash 1305 00:54:40,490 --> 00:54:37,850 conception radio network like the page 1306 00:54:45,400 --> 00:54:40,500 tell your friends spread the word and 1307 00:54:51,260 --> 00:54:48,829 hello everyone Laurieann fenton here 1308 00:54:54,589 --> 00:54:51,270 hosted the California MUFON radio show 1309 00:54:57,620 --> 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00:56:57,480 --> 00:56:54,790 throughout the week that's i underscore 1351 00:57:01,650 --> 00:56:57,490 our underscore n and never miss a great 1352 00:57:05,370 --> 00:57:01,660 show again you're locked into inception 1353 00:57:08,190 --> 00:57:05,380 radio network superior Wisconsin truth 1354 00:57:22,940 --> 00:57:08,200 funders radio on the inception radio 1355 00:57:27,480 --> 00:57:25,320 alright welcome back to truth funders 1356 00:57:29,880 --> 00:57:27,490 radio we're here with Nancy and bill 1357 00:57:32,640 --> 00:57:29,890 burns or bill and nancy burns we can 1358 00:57:35,340 --> 00:57:32,650 swap and trade those those names they 1359 00:57:37,940 --> 00:57:35,350 are they are different people and they 1360 00:57:40,700 --> 00:57:37,950 are the same when its future theatre 1361 00:57:43,440 --> 00:57:40,710 we're really really excited to have this 1362 00:57:45,359 --> 00:57:43,450 incredible conversation tonight and why 1363 00:57:47,910 --> 00:57:45,369 it's been really incredible i feel you 1364 00:57:50,220 --> 00:57:47,920 guys is is this just natural and it's 1365 00:57:53,609 --> 00:57:50,230 true and this is like like people 1366 00:57:55,410 --> 00:57:53,619 talking and really it's we're talking 1367 00:57:57,540 --> 00:57:55,420 about one of the things that I'm 1368 00:58:00,240 --> 00:57:57,550 passionate about I there's two things 1369 00:58:03,720 --> 00:58:00,250 I'm extremely passionate about one it is 1370 00:58:06,690 --> 00:58:03,730 radio radio as a whole from the classic 1371 00:58:09,300 --> 00:58:06,700 days of radio to the new days from you 1372 00:58:13,260 --> 00:58:09,310 know mark why is that you are not the 1373 00:58:16,109 --> 00:58:13,270 radio generation why is that I I don't 1374 00:58:20,010 --> 00:58:16,119 know maybe it's a past life it's a it's 1375 00:58:24,210 --> 00:58:20,020 just so weird okay what's your earliest 1376 00:58:28,140 --> 00:58:24,220 memory of listening to a radio um being 1377 00:58:30,570 --> 00:58:28,150 in my like going to sleep at you know in 1378 00:58:33,599 --> 00:58:30,580 kindergarten and turning on late night 1379 00:58:36,000 --> 00:58:33,609 radio and I remember just doing that my 1380 00:58:37,620 --> 00:58:36,010 parents I would have to set the timer so 1381 00:58:40,080 --> 00:58:37,630 that I would go to sleep but I was like 1382 00:58:44,490 --> 00:58:40,090 five years old and I would fall asleep 1383 00:58:46,950 --> 00:58:44,500 listening to people talking or music the 1384 00:58:50,640 --> 00:58:46,960 UN would do you remember whether it had 1385 00:58:53,880 --> 00:58:50,650 am and FM it had it had both yeah and I 1386 00:58:55,590 --> 00:58:53,890 will listen to am primarily and even 1387 00:58:58,740 --> 00:58:55,600 when I started getting into junior high 1388 00:59:00,420 --> 00:58:58,750 and high school I would be listening I 1389 00:59:03,150 --> 00:59:00,430 would go to the I worked at a bookstore 1390 00:59:07,010 --> 00:59:03,160 when I was 15 I started started working 1391 00:59:09,990 --> 00:59:07,020 at a bookstore and I would get the 1392 00:59:12,630 --> 00:59:10,000 Golden Age of Radio tapes that they 1393 00:59:16,109 --> 00:59:12,640 would have their bring those home and 1394 00:59:18,720 --> 00:59:16,119 listen to old shows and I still do I I 1395 00:59:20,370 --> 00:59:18,730 think once the internet started going 1396 00:59:23,580 --> 00:59:20,380 and you could download stuff there was 1397 00:59:26,250 --> 00:59:23,590 old time radio episodes yes yes yes and 1398 00:59:30,560 --> 00:59:26,260 I'm not jealous to my superman and CBS 1399 00:59:34,320 --> 00:59:30,570 Radio mystery theater and you know 1400 00:59:35,640 --> 00:59:34,330 Dimension X and what are some of these 1401 00:59:37,920 --> 00:59:35,650 other ones that I would listen 1402 00:59:40,920 --> 00:59:37,930 there was a great show called lights out 1403 00:59:42,750 --> 00:59:40,930 oh yeah yeah that was on the radio that 1404 00:59:45,480 --> 00:59:42,760 was back about was back in the 40s and 1405 00:59:48,330 --> 00:59:45,490 50s there was the Whistler there was 1406 00:59:52,350 --> 00:59:48,340 asking the shadow yeah the Whistler the 1407 00:59:55,800 --> 00:59:52,360 shadow radio was the first mass-market 1408 00:59:58,740 --> 00:59:55,810 medium I mean when you think about what 1409 01:00:00,720 --> 00:59:58,750 radio was like all the way back in in 1410 01:00:03,090 --> 01:00:00,730 the very early days of the 20th century 1411 01:00:05,730 --> 01:00:03,100 that was the first medium actually 1412 01:00:09,750 --> 01:00:05,740 brought people together and created 1413 01:00:12,870 --> 01:00:09,760 communities and so radio has been one of 1414 01:00:15,450 --> 01:00:12,880 the I think what are the establishing 1415 01:00:20,670 --> 01:00:15,460 things of creating an interactive 1416 01:00:24,990 --> 01:00:20,680 community even back as early as the the 1417 01:00:27,300 --> 01:00:25,000 team's the 19-teens yeah yeah absolutely 1418 01:00:28,560 --> 01:00:27,310 i mean people would gather around the 1419 01:00:32,490 --> 01:00:28,570 radio just like they would gather around 1420 01:00:34,080 --> 01:00:32,500 a TV right now people are isolated and 1421 01:00:36,740 --> 01:00:34,090 gather around a computer by themselves 1422 01:00:40,380 --> 01:00:36,750 but the radio but see that's the thing 1423 01:00:43,140 --> 01:00:40,390 the radio has feels intimate and perfect 1424 01:00:47,160 --> 01:00:43,150 with the computer you learn how to 1425 01:00:49,710 --> 01:00:47,170 listen with your ears and type with your 1426 01:00:51,120 --> 01:00:49,720 fingers and watch like a whole bunch of 1427 01:00:53,400 --> 01:00:51,130 things you could look at a family photo 1428 01:00:55,350 --> 01:00:53,410 album you could be watching all kinds of 1429 01:00:59,330 --> 01:00:55,360 stuff going on on your screen stock 1430 01:01:01,680 --> 01:00:59,340 markets and stuff and your ears are 1431 01:01:04,290 --> 01:01:01,690 perfectly happy just to listen to us 1432 01:01:05,610 --> 01:01:04,300 right now because you know you can be 1433 01:01:07,590 --> 01:01:05,620 doing other things you could even have 1434 01:01:09,930 --> 01:01:07,600 it blasting into the room and you could 1435 01:01:14,790 --> 01:01:09,940 be folding clothing or something like 1436 01:01:17,790 --> 01:01:14,800 that and you know we are for such a diva 1437 01:01:20,880 --> 01:01:17,800 but here's the thing you you had to have 1438 01:01:25,320 --> 01:01:20,890 a radio back in the day now you only 1439 01:01:27,600 --> 01:01:25,330 need a phone and iPad a computer service 1440 01:01:29,820 --> 01:01:27,610 of that or that it's all there it's it's 1441 01:01:31,650 --> 01:01:29,830 rare everybody's got millions of radios 1442 01:01:34,170 --> 01:01:31,660 and I think art bell is finally 1443 01:01:36,900 --> 01:01:34,180 understanding this because he has been 1444 01:01:38,580 --> 01:01:36,910 kind of keeping a running kind of 1445 01:01:40,800 --> 01:01:38,590 commentary on to the internet into his 1446 01:01:44,480 --> 01:01:40,810 Facebook and stuff Ryan the other thing 1447 01:01:49,020 --> 01:01:44,490 too is that radio from its inception 1448 01:01:49,560 --> 01:01:49,030 used public yet no way option what yeah 1449 01:01:55,860 --> 01:01:49,570 and 1450 01:01:58,350 --> 01:01:55,870 that's the fascinating thing about it 1451 01:02:02,040 --> 01:01:58,360 you don't need permission to be on the 1452 01:02:04,200 --> 01:02:02,050 radio well you did burn now yeah for now 1453 01:02:08,280 --> 01:02:04,210 right well we'll see what how they cute 1454 01:02:10,320 --> 01:02:08,290 umbrellas the cows out of the barn you 1455 01:02:12,330 --> 01:02:10,330 can be sure just because just the same 1456 01:02:15,750 --> 01:02:12,340 way bitcoin was invented you can be sure 1457 01:02:17,160 --> 01:02:15,760 that the black net which is like a nice 1458 01:02:19,260 --> 01:02:17,170 but you know it's like picture an 1459 01:02:21,510 --> 01:02:19,270 iceberg the black net is way under to 1460 01:02:24,450 --> 01:02:21,520 the waterline it's way bigger than the 1461 01:02:26,760 --> 01:02:24,460 top the the white net is all we ever say 1462 01:02:29,550 --> 01:02:26,770 if you don't know what you're doing and 1463 01:02:32,550 --> 01:02:29,560 I don't and I don't do that but you can 1464 01:02:35,850 --> 01:02:32,560 be sure that they will make channels 1465 01:02:38,430 --> 01:02:35,860 available to people and then if that 1466 01:02:40,020 --> 01:02:38,440 happens the internet quote-unquote will 1467 01:02:41,250 --> 01:02:40,030 end up feeling like cable TV or 1468 01:02:43,320 --> 01:02:41,260 something's like something that's there 1469 01:02:45,780 --> 01:02:43,330 if you need to but you don't really you 1470 01:02:47,910 --> 01:02:45,790 know you're not really well you know 1471 01:02:50,370 --> 01:02:47,920 it's what's interesting is the fact that 1472 01:02:52,230 --> 01:02:50,380 first there was just podcasts right 1473 01:02:53,520 --> 01:02:52,240 people would record stuff and they put 1474 01:02:56,610 --> 01:02:53,530 it on you could download it each week 1475 01:02:58,590 --> 01:02:56,620 from itunes now it's like they're there 1476 01:03:00,750 --> 01:02:58,600 are networks networks are starting to 1477 01:03:04,260 --> 01:03:00,760 show up well I know you have inception 1478 01:03:06,120 --> 01:03:04,270 radio you know or or whatever and and 1479 01:03:08,100 --> 01:03:06,130 there's your future theater or your 1480 01:03:09,660 --> 01:03:08,110 future theater and it's showing up and 1481 01:03:11,400 --> 01:03:09,670 there's a bunch of different models and 1482 01:03:12,980 --> 01:03:11,410 I've been really monitoring the 1483 01:03:16,470 --> 01:03:12,990 different models that people are using 1484 01:03:19,470 --> 01:03:16,480 and I can see which ones are like the 1485 01:03:21,360 --> 01:03:19,480 future of it and it depends how much you 1486 01:03:22,830 --> 01:03:21,370 want to own your property to i think 1487 01:03:25,950 --> 01:03:22,840 that's that's something that's coming 1488 01:03:27,630 --> 01:03:25,960 out well you know I you're the only 1489 01:03:29,820 --> 01:03:27,640 person I feel like you're we're in a 1490 01:03:32,430 --> 01:03:29,830 confessional now you're the only person 1491 01:03:34,920 --> 01:03:32,440 I feel comfortable talking to about the 1492 01:03:38,670 --> 01:03:34,930 dirty dirty topic of making money 1493 01:03:40,830 --> 01:03:38,680 because you're saying it's not that bad 1494 01:03:42,900 --> 01:03:40,840 thing let's try making a little money on 1495 01:03:46,260 --> 01:03:42,910 this project let's yeah it's it's it's 1496 01:03:48,360 --> 01:03:46,270 truly not because but it's a really part 1497 01:03:50,480 --> 01:03:48,370 that's a hard sell to the UFO community 1498 01:03:53,820 --> 01:03:50,490 and to the Internet as a whole because 1499 01:03:56,790 --> 01:03:53,830 people are used to freebies and well you 1500 01:03:59,160 --> 01:03:56,800 know you know right so so I think it's 1501 01:04:02,520 --> 01:03:59,170 like this the way I look at it is 1502 01:04:03,450 --> 01:04:02,530 everything is still free even even the 1503 01:04:05,100 --> 01:04:03,460 show 1504 01:04:08,130 --> 01:04:05,110 I you know like right now we're 1505 01:04:10,650 --> 01:04:08,140 listening to inception radio and it's 1506 01:04:13,830 --> 01:04:10,660 truth funders and people are listening 1507 01:04:16,380 --> 01:04:13,840 for free eventually at some point you 1508 01:04:19,170 --> 01:04:16,390 know if if the audience just loves it 1509 01:04:20,820 --> 01:04:19,180 and there's a huge volume of shows that 1510 01:04:23,340 --> 01:04:20,830 that we produce like you guys you 1511 01:04:25,170 --> 01:04:23,350 produce so many shows at some point you 1512 01:04:26,970 --> 01:04:25,180 could create your own application and 1513 01:04:29,130 --> 01:04:26,980 say you know if you guys want our 1514 01:04:30,930 --> 01:04:29,140 archives they're worth money I mean you 1515 01:04:33,330 --> 01:04:30,940 guys you guys work at that that's 1516 01:04:36,660 --> 01:04:33,340 something that you you honestly I mean 1517 01:04:39,630 --> 01:04:36,670 people people I understand what you what 1518 01:04:41,640 --> 01:04:39,640 you mean by application for life or 1519 01:04:44,940 --> 01:04:41,650 slightly like that and and say like a 1520 01:04:46,410 --> 01:04:44,950 website that has a button sure so okay 1521 01:04:48,300 --> 01:04:46,420 let's say you have a website that has a 1522 01:04:50,790 --> 01:04:48,310 button and that that totally works too 1523 01:04:53,640 --> 01:04:50,800 but for on-the-go something that's easy 1524 01:04:55,260 --> 01:04:53,650 to access if if you were to create an 1525 01:04:56,850 --> 01:04:55,270 app and you just download it and just 1526 01:04:59,220 --> 01:04:56,860 had a play button and it would it would 1527 01:05:00,930 --> 01:04:59,230 stream your stuff all the time it was 1528 01:05:03,000 --> 01:05:00,940 just like a 24 hour stream of your 1529 01:05:04,560 --> 01:05:03,010 latest show and it just replays and 1530 01:05:06,510 --> 01:05:04,570 replays until you have your next show 1531 01:05:08,370 --> 01:05:06,520 maybe that's a daily show for some 1532 01:05:10,590 --> 01:05:08,380 people maybe that's a weekly show for 1533 01:05:12,600 --> 01:05:10,600 some people but then it would let people 1534 01:05:15,270 --> 01:05:12,610 join in and listen to that newest show 1535 01:05:17,160 --> 01:05:15,280 and get it for free and just totally 1536 01:05:20,100 --> 01:05:17,170 stream and then if they wanted past 1537 01:05:23,550 --> 01:05:20,110 shows they they could potentially pay 1538 01:05:26,160 --> 01:05:23,560 for it if if would they would defer with 1539 01:05:29,100 --> 01:05:26,170 the show that's live streaming 24-7 be 1540 01:05:32,190 --> 01:05:29,110 free yeah basically yeah interesting 1541 01:05:33,840 --> 01:05:32,200 yeah so yeah yeah that's a great idea 1542 01:05:36,690 --> 01:05:33,850 that's a great idea I've heard it before 1543 01:05:40,230 --> 01:05:36,700 but I think wherever I heard it before 1544 01:05:43,260 --> 01:05:40,240 it was too soon for it save sink into my 1545 01:05:45,360 --> 01:05:43,270 dense head sure you know it's just now 1546 01:05:48,030 --> 01:05:45,370 it's now starting to make sense I am NOT 1547 01:05:50,220 --> 01:05:48,040 a radio I you know I love it and I 1548 01:05:53,370 --> 01:05:50,230 listen to it but making it is still 1549 01:05:55,620 --> 01:05:53,380 magic I don't really I I'm talking to it 1550 01:05:57,600 --> 01:05:55,630 the way I want to hear it talking to me 1551 01:05:59,250 --> 01:05:57,610 I feel like it's a real thing but I the 1552 01:06:02,520 --> 01:05:59,260 right time a heck of a time with the 1553 01:06:05,640 --> 01:06:02,530 plugs and the you know the mute button 1554 01:06:09,090 --> 01:06:05,650 and stuff but yeah I don't think about 1555 01:06:11,790 --> 01:06:09,100 from this this perspective okay um so 1556 01:06:13,460 --> 01:06:11,800 I'm a regular person and I i love 1557 01:06:16,590 --> 01:06:13,470 entertainment I love listening to 1558 01:06:17,160 --> 01:06:16,600 watching TV I love watching movies I 1559 01:06:20,099 --> 01:06:17,170 love 1560 01:06:23,099 --> 01:06:20,109 to the radio so if i'm now listening to 1561 01:06:25,049 --> 01:06:23,109 a show that i like and it's on you know 1562 01:06:27,690 --> 01:06:25,059 three hours a day every day or three 1563 01:06:29,730 --> 01:06:27,700 hours once a week and i'm listening to 1564 01:06:32,190 --> 01:06:29,740 that show and really enjoying it then 1565 01:06:34,140 --> 01:06:32,200 after a while you know it would make 1566 01:06:36,450 --> 01:06:34,150 sense I want to support the people doing 1567 01:06:39,210 --> 01:06:36,460 it I mean it's just it's a matter of 1568 01:06:40,650 --> 01:06:39,220 right right yeah it's you're paying with 1569 01:06:42,569 --> 01:06:40,660 your dollars it's sort of like you're 1570 01:06:45,480 --> 01:06:42,579 voting with your dollars saying like 1571 01:06:48,349 --> 01:06:45,490 there's a ninth season of trailer park 1572 01:06:52,289 --> 01:06:48,359 boys one of my absolute favorite things 1573 01:06:54,960 --> 01:06:52,299 do you know about trailer park boys I I 1574 01:06:56,299 --> 01:06:54,970 know the the model of it but I haven't 1575 01:06:59,910 --> 01:06:56,309 actually watched the show before 1576 01:07:01,470 --> 01:06:59,920 interesting when you see it you'll have 1577 01:07:03,390 --> 01:07:01,480 a strong reaction one way or the other 1578 01:07:06,690 --> 01:07:03,400 I'll be curious as to your strong 1579 01:07:10,500 --> 01:07:06,700 reaction sure okay totally check it out 1580 01:07:13,200 --> 01:07:10,510 now mom but but don't you think and and 1581 01:07:15,420 --> 01:07:13,210 bill it's like you guys have put 1582 01:07:17,670 --> 01:07:15,430 together and I'm not saying go sell your 1583 01:07:20,039 --> 01:07:17,680 stuff everyone make money it's it's not 1584 01:07:21,329 --> 01:07:20,049 about being greedy it's truly not about 1585 01:07:23,700 --> 01:07:21,339 on the other hand if you can't make a 1586 01:07:26,160 --> 01:07:23,710 living at this and I lost UFO magazine 1587 01:07:28,650 --> 01:07:26,170 it was pulled out from under us and we 1588 01:07:29,970 --> 01:07:28,660 were making a living barely but we were 1589 01:07:32,520 --> 01:07:29,980 making a living because it was a labor 1590 01:07:36,240 --> 01:07:32,530 of love and people appreciated it and it 1591 01:07:38,370 --> 01:07:36,250 had just a solid return listenership etc 1592 01:07:41,460 --> 01:07:38,380 and I would love to be able to make a 1593 01:07:43,710 --> 01:07:41,470 living at this I bet you heard I bet you 1594 01:07:46,440 --> 01:07:43,720 heard when that when you guys said sorry 1595 01:07:49,200 --> 01:07:46,450 no more UFO magazine I bet you suddenly 1596 01:07:51,599 --> 01:07:49,210 got tons of emails tons of letters like 1597 01:07:54,210 --> 01:07:51,609 you know we needed how do we bring it 1598 01:07:56,010 --> 01:07:54,220 back all that stuff right all the people 1599 01:07:59,280 --> 01:07:56,020 came out of the Woodworks right I 1600 01:08:02,609 --> 01:07:59,290 apologize to the to the way many people 1601 01:08:06,120 --> 01:08:02,619 way many people I never returned emails 1602 01:08:08,520 --> 01:08:06,130 to or Disqus cop you know you know the 1603 01:08:10,920 --> 01:08:08,530 whole flood of stuff coming at you there 1604 01:08:13,620 --> 01:08:10,930 were things I couldn't say and I was 1605 01:08:17,039 --> 01:08:13,630 also devastated and I was very super 1606 01:08:19,470 --> 01:08:17,049 sensitive and so forth and it's not been 1607 01:08:22,200 --> 01:08:19,480 the first thing I mean bill and I have 1608 01:08:25,410 --> 01:08:22,210 learned the hard way at this stage not 1609 01:08:28,979 --> 01:08:25,420 to take on partners no offense to you 1610 01:08:30,900 --> 01:08:28,989 but we can work with people but we 1611 01:08:33,150 --> 01:08:30,910 really can't share 1612 01:08:35,370 --> 01:08:33,160 are everything like I always end up 1613 01:08:37,620 --> 01:08:35,380 doing all the work and the partners end 1614 01:08:40,110 --> 01:08:37,630 up taking up it has been an end that's 1615 01:08:41,700 --> 01:08:40,120 the worst nightmare but you know I think 1616 01:08:46,020 --> 01:08:41,710 sometimes creative people are not the 1617 01:08:48,630 --> 01:08:46,030 best managers I and I i 100% agree with 1618 01:08:51,510 --> 01:08:48,640 that I thought I dad might you might be 1619 01:08:55,410 --> 01:08:51,520 a great asset it's almost like you know 1620 01:08:58,500 --> 01:08:55,420 Ephesians sweet you know general Harris 1621 01:09:02,970 --> 01:08:58,510 I don't well what is built it does let 1622 01:09:07,350 --> 01:09:02,980 bill tell you I started out in Southern 1623 01:09:11,430 --> 01:09:07,360 California where arm a landlord would 1624 01:09:14,460 --> 01:09:11,440 buy a floor of the building or three or 1625 01:09:15,630 --> 01:09:14,470 four floors the building and then and 1626 01:09:17,100 --> 01:09:15,640 actually it's in New York now two 1627 01:09:20,610 --> 01:09:17,110 because one of the production companies 1628 01:09:22,980 --> 01:09:20,620 I work with are in one of them and the 1629 01:09:25,260 --> 01:09:22,990 different companies would have these 1630 01:09:27,870 --> 01:09:25,270 little cubicles or these little office 1631 01:09:29,520 --> 01:09:27,880 sections in a larger suite so you 1632 01:09:31,590 --> 01:09:29,530 wouldn't just go to sew ins those 1633 01:09:35,400 --> 01:09:31,600 offices you would walk into the suite 1634 01:09:37,500 --> 01:09:35,410 this huge suite of offices and then this 1635 01:09:39,000 --> 01:09:37,510 a company would be he or a company would 1636 01:09:41,310 --> 01:09:39,010 be there a company would be in another 1637 01:09:42,990 --> 01:09:41,320 spot and it was like the Fijian Islands 1638 01:09:45,360 --> 01:09:43,000 right and that's why the began calling 1639 01:09:47,490 --> 01:09:45,370 these things featured suites feature 1640 01:09:48,920 --> 01:09:47,500 space but they basically all share you 1641 01:09:51,000 --> 01:09:48,930 know they had facilities and services 1642 01:09:54,360 --> 01:09:51,010 here yeah they might steal a 1643 01:09:57,390 --> 01:09:54,370 receptionist but your receptionist they 1644 01:09:58,770 --> 01:09:57,400 might break up like Bollywood and 1645 01:10:01,500 --> 01:09:58,780 Hollywood things don't last very long 1646 01:10:03,600 --> 01:10:01,510 you know you either that's true yes you 1647 01:10:05,100 --> 01:10:03,610 know you've got to look good and try to 1648 01:10:07,680 --> 01:10:05,110 make it but you don't have unlimited 1649 01:10:10,350 --> 01:10:07,690 months to do it you know right you know 1650 01:10:12,240 --> 01:10:10,360 what when I was there I I the best day 1651 01:10:14,730 --> 01:10:12,250 of my life was when I realized oh my 1652 01:10:16,170 --> 01:10:14,740 gosh people are so worried about what 1653 01:10:18,930 --> 01:10:16,180 they're wearing they don't care about 1654 01:10:21,150 --> 01:10:18,940 what about wearing and then I of the 1655 01:10:23,250 --> 01:10:21,160 house able to sort of uh you know right 1656 01:10:25,260 --> 01:10:23,260 Hollywood is the audion is the only 1657 01:10:27,690 --> 01:10:25,270 place where people walk around um 1658 01:10:30,420 --> 01:10:27,700 encased in their own mirrors and they 1659 01:10:34,650 --> 01:10:30,430 don't see out beyond those mirrors right 1660 01:10:36,660 --> 01:10:34,660 guiding it's uh and you know I there was 1661 01:10:38,580 --> 01:10:36,670 things that I loved about living in a 1662 01:10:41,280 --> 01:10:38,590 likes I did I lived there for a short 1663 01:10:43,290 --> 01:10:41,290 time and did my thing and that was a 1664 01:10:44,490 --> 01:10:43,300 cameraman for a road rules real world 1665 01:10:51,150 --> 01:10:44,500 and 1666 01:10:54,120 --> 01:10:51,160 move was a great move for me to come 1667 01:10:55,680 --> 01:10:54,130 back to the bay area just because it was 1668 01:10:58,260 --> 01:10:55,690 in the middle of the tech stuff and I 1669 01:11:00,210 --> 01:10:58,270 was help I was able to sort of help with 1670 01:11:02,250 --> 01:11:00,220 technology and entertainment and sort of 1671 01:11:04,890 --> 01:11:02,260 bridge some of the gap that's you say 1672 01:11:07,350 --> 01:11:04,900 you know that Amazon Prime has produced 1673 01:11:09,120 --> 01:11:07,360 some original programming and one of the 1674 01:11:11,430 --> 01:11:09,130 one of the things they did a couple of 1675 01:11:13,830 --> 01:11:11,440 years ago was called betas and it was 1676 01:11:16,890 --> 01:11:13,840 way better than silicon valley which is 1677 01:11:19,380 --> 01:11:16,900 the HBO or Showtime show do you know yes 1678 01:11:21,120 --> 01:11:19,390 I I definitely have seen it while 1679 01:11:22,710 --> 01:11:21,130 flipping through amazon prime but i 1680 01:11:24,540 --> 01:11:22,720 haven't watched it that's not a chance 1681 01:11:29,550 --> 01:11:24,550 you should watch it from beginning to 1682 01:11:32,580 --> 01:11:29,560 end also equally fabulous is the Mozart 1683 01:11:35,430 --> 01:11:32,590 in the jungle beyond fabulous it's all 1684 01:11:36,840 --> 01:11:35,440 about like the Metropolitan you know 1685 01:11:38,850 --> 01:11:36,850 that you know it's about the musicians 1686 01:11:41,370 --> 01:11:38,860 who ply their trade in New York they're 1687 01:11:44,850 --> 01:11:41,380 all top-level they're met you know met 1688 01:11:47,400 --> 01:11:44,860 metropolitan level but it's so good and 1689 01:11:49,650 --> 01:11:47,410 it's just so good because you get 1690 01:11:51,480 --> 01:11:49,660 beautiful music as you know you'd have 1691 01:11:54,120 --> 01:11:51,490 oh you would like this because of glee 1692 01:11:56,220 --> 01:11:54,130 if you like glee at all Glee had a fun 1693 01:11:58,350 --> 01:11:56,230 musical background they kind of you know 1694 01:12:00,000 --> 01:11:58,360 then a soap opera this is the same way 1695 01:12:03,900 --> 01:12:00,010 only the music is the best on the planet 1696 01:12:06,360 --> 01:12:03,910 not just classical but you know Cuban 1697 01:12:08,760 --> 01:12:06,370 authentic music oh it's really good 1698 01:12:12,030 --> 01:12:08,770 because the new conductor is from Cuba 1699 01:12:15,420 --> 01:12:12,040 the old conductor is Terence Stamp i 1700 01:12:18,210 --> 01:12:15,430 believe and right and Bernadette Peters 1701 01:12:20,760 --> 01:12:18,220 is the Opera manager is how you can it's 1702 01:12:22,380 --> 01:12:20,770 gorgeously done yeah I long as I 1703 01:12:24,240 --> 01:12:22,390 definitely i'll totally check it out i 1704 01:12:27,300 --> 01:12:24,250 watched so many series and you know i 1705 01:12:30,990 --> 01:12:27,310 helped produce a couple of online online 1706 01:12:33,780 --> 01:12:31,000 things for a while anything that you can 1707 01:12:36,930 --> 01:12:33,790 tell us nothing that i would care take 1708 01:12:40,190 --> 01:12:36,940 care to share well yeah there was the 1709 01:12:43,770 --> 01:12:40,200 one on it's it's the most famous one on 1710 01:12:46,830 --> 01:12:43,780 vimeo it's called it's not high 1711 01:12:49,590 --> 01:12:46,840 maintenance it's made to em helping you 1712 01:12:51,000 --> 01:12:49,600 maintain or haven't heard of high 1713 01:12:54,480 --> 01:12:51,010 maintenance productions look that up 1714 01:12:58,100 --> 01:12:54,490 it's now in its third or fourth year 1715 01:13:01,189 --> 01:12:58,110 it's sort of a boutique comedy and 1716 01:13:04,600 --> 01:13:01,199 it's really well done really well diet I 1717 01:13:07,520 --> 01:13:04,610 have my list right here I'm definitely 1718 01:13:09,919 --> 01:13:07,530 helping you maintain its about a pot 1719 01:13:11,570 --> 01:13:09,929 delivery guy in New York and it's 1720 01:13:13,970 --> 01:13:11,580 basically the stories he encounters 1721 01:13:17,899 --> 01:13:13,980 wherever he delivers pie that's fun I 1722 01:13:19,310 --> 01:13:17,909 think he's the kind of like bill knows 1723 01:13:21,620 --> 01:13:19,320 what this is what is when a connection 1724 01:13:23,959 --> 01:13:21,630 is that way in a story line where he's 1725 01:13:28,729 --> 01:13:23,969 the guy on a bike and wherever he lands 1726 01:13:30,680 --> 01:13:28,739 that's the story it's trust aryan yeah 1727 01:13:34,430 --> 01:13:30,690 it stress theory and it's also 1728 01:13:36,050 --> 01:13:34,440 Shakespearean um I he's a connection 1729 01:13:39,919 --> 01:13:36,060 between all the diff he's like the host 1730 01:13:42,050 --> 01:13:39,929 and the canterbury tales yo or the 1731 01:13:45,649 --> 01:13:42,060 narrator wherever you land that's the 1732 01:13:47,660 --> 01:13:45,659 story I have to check it out that 1733 01:13:50,060 --> 01:13:47,670 science that sounds phenomenal there are 1734 01:13:52,700 --> 01:13:50,070 just so many good programs and the stuff 1735 01:13:54,560 --> 01:13:52,710 is becoming better online and all these 1736 01:13:56,780 --> 01:13:54,570 streaming services because and its force 1737 01:13:58,550 --> 01:13:56,790 amazon has money to get better yeah if 1738 01:14:00,530 --> 01:13:58,560 we're to get better because buddy 1739 01:14:01,669 --> 01:14:00,540 they're also bringing back they're not 1740 01:14:03,320 --> 01:14:01,679 just bringing well they're not really 1741 01:14:07,760 --> 01:14:03,330 bringing back firefly yet but the two 1742 01:14:11,060 --> 01:14:07,770 guys from it the captain and i'm nathan 1743 01:14:13,760 --> 01:14:11,070 fillion and yeah the guys address the 1744 01:14:17,720 --> 01:14:13,770 name of i never gave up amazing Fillion 1745 01:14:19,550 --> 01:14:17,730 is dismissed it 22 dec to dick yeah yeah 1746 01:14:21,590 --> 01:14:19,560 you're Michael q doc I think I thanks 1747 01:14:23,260 --> 01:14:21,600 man people there they have some kind of 1748 01:14:25,160 --> 01:14:23,270 a Kickstarter thing and as you said 1749 01:14:26,750 --> 01:14:25,170 everybody can go to that because 1750 01:14:29,930 --> 01:14:26,760 everybody knows and loves them but the 1751 01:14:33,530 --> 01:14:29,940 paranormal is a huge field that is so 1752 01:14:35,689 --> 01:14:33,540 segmented and a loner partly is yeah and 1753 01:14:37,700 --> 01:14:35,699 that's that's the true goal you know 1754 01:14:40,910 --> 01:14:37,710 we're going to be creating a directory 1755 01:14:44,180 --> 01:14:40,920 on truth funders that that showcases 1756 01:14:45,859 --> 01:14:44,190 every single radio show that's out there 1757 01:14:49,490 --> 01:14:45,869 of the paranormal that you can listen to 1758 01:14:52,399 --> 01:14:49,500 viet biet podcast live web show or 1759 01:14:54,080 --> 01:14:52,409 terrestrial radio and we're going to be 1760 01:14:56,990 --> 01:14:54,090 creating this huge thing so if you like 1761 01:14:59,030 --> 01:14:57,000 UFOs and aliens you can click on ufology 1762 01:14:59,990 --> 01:14:59,040 and you'll see all the things listed and 1763 01:15:04,189 --> 01:15:00,000 this is something that we've been 1764 01:15:06,320 --> 01:15:04,199 compiling for a while so that way p you 1765 01:15:08,180 --> 01:15:06,330 know these these people start to see 1766 01:15:10,189 --> 01:15:08,190 that are hosting these podcasts and 1767 01:15:11,880 --> 01:15:10,199 shows will start to see traffic coming 1768 01:15:13,500 --> 01:15:11,890 from truth funders to 1769 01:15:15,990 --> 01:15:13,510 their site and might get them interested 1770 01:15:18,690 --> 01:15:16,000 in it to in order to kind of see what 1771 01:15:20,100 --> 01:15:18,700 what we're doing we have a couple of 1772 01:15:22,260 --> 01:15:20,110 people we have a bunch of new projects 1773 01:15:25,050 --> 01:15:22,270 that we're about to to launch come on 1774 01:15:27,120 --> 01:15:25,060 but it's also a great place like if 1775 01:15:28,920 --> 01:15:27,130 people create a project they would be 1776 01:15:30,930 --> 01:15:28,930 able to see all the different pair 1777 01:15:32,850 --> 01:15:30,940 there's like 10,000 there are so many 1778 01:15:34,890 --> 01:15:32,860 shows that are out there and they're so 1779 01:15:37,380 --> 01:15:34,900 spread apart that if we can create one 1780 01:15:39,150 --> 01:15:37,390 centralized place people can share and 1781 01:15:41,490 --> 01:15:39,160 listen and never be bored and listen all 1782 01:15:43,860 --> 01:15:41,500 day and just really really find stuff 1783 01:15:47,940 --> 01:15:43,870 that they like and and not only that but 1784 01:15:49,980 --> 01:15:47,950 it brings the the community in last 1785 01:15:51,240 --> 01:15:49,990 night i was on Omar check mark if you're 1786 01:15:53,010 --> 01:15:51,250 going to go to all that trouble why not 1787 01:15:55,950 --> 01:15:53,020 make it like Netflix further for the 1788 01:15:59,280 --> 01:15:55,960 paranormal shows isn't their way to do 1789 01:16:01,530 --> 01:15:59,290 that how so well you would have you 1790 01:16:04,320 --> 01:16:01,540 would simply you would simply once 1791 01:16:06,090 --> 01:16:04,330 you've compiled this database you simply 1792 01:16:09,270 --> 01:16:06,100 join for a dollar a month or something 1793 01:16:11,160 --> 01:16:09,280 and you can and you could just you know 1794 01:16:13,740 --> 01:16:11,170 just like Netflix you can fire up it's 1795 01:16:16,080 --> 01:16:13,750 all there you're gonna do it anyway you 1796 01:16:17,700 --> 01:16:16,090 know I mean if you know you know and but 1797 01:16:23,340 --> 01:16:17,710 you know how you were saying it's sort 1798 01:16:25,500 --> 01:16:23,350 of like so so this is I see it as you 1799 01:16:27,900 --> 01:16:25,510 know so we get everybody let's say I 1800 01:16:29,640 --> 01:16:27,910 have all the links there it's still the 1801 01:16:31,500 --> 01:16:29,650 people's show and they still own their 1802 01:16:32,970 --> 01:16:31,510 show and they're still a part of it but 1803 01:16:34,620 --> 01:16:32,980 what I would like to do it all you're 1804 01:16:36,120 --> 01:16:34,630 doing is to see the thing is you're all 1805 01:16:38,580 --> 01:16:36,130 you're doing is playing their show and 1806 01:16:40,980 --> 01:16:38,590 advertising that and what we we had to 1807 01:16:42,810 --> 01:16:40,990 thing called filament books and this is 1808 01:16:44,430 --> 01:16:42,820 highly this is a high level of 1809 01:16:46,920 --> 01:16:44,440 accounting it that it's a nightmare you 1810 01:16:49,470 --> 01:16:46,930 don't want but what we did was we gave 1811 01:16:53,010 --> 01:16:49,480 two books away for free every month and 1812 01:16:56,010 --> 01:16:53,020 if oh it's a long story counting it took 1813 01:16:58,980 --> 01:16:56,020 to compensate everybody that tossed 1814 01:17:01,440 --> 01:16:58,990 their books into filament books because 1815 01:17:03,300 --> 01:17:01,450 we were giving you know it's a nightmare 1816 01:17:05,010 --> 01:17:03,310 I can just say that so maybe you don't 1817 01:17:07,200 --> 01:17:05,020 go that way maybe you want to keep your 1818 01:17:09,750 --> 01:17:07,210 brain it was a subscription-based 1819 01:17:12,690 --> 01:17:09,760 service yes and for your subscription 1820 01:17:15,960 --> 01:17:12,700 for your monthly subscription what you 1821 01:17:18,360 --> 01:17:15,970 get is your pick of two books from a 1822 01:17:21,750 --> 01:17:18,370 list that we present so let's say that 1823 01:17:25,440 --> 01:17:21,760 you wanted to do this for radio shows so 1824 01:17:28,200 --> 01:17:25,450 you compile this database of 1825 01:17:30,270 --> 01:17:28,210 and it's an audio database of all the 1826 01:17:33,330 --> 01:17:30,280 radio shows that you can in the pattern 1827 01:17:37,010 --> 01:17:33,340 has a sex friend but it has like a plex 1828 01:17:39,930 --> 01:17:37,020 phone ending exactly and then for a 1829 01:17:42,650 --> 01:17:39,940 dollar month five dollars a month 1830 01:17:46,190 --> 01:17:42,660 whatever the are the market will bear 1831 01:17:48,570 --> 01:17:46,200 you get your choice of X number of shows 1832 01:17:51,540 --> 01:17:48,580 every single month that you could watch 1833 01:17:53,490 --> 01:17:51,550 you could listen to as much as you 1834 01:17:56,340 --> 01:17:53,500 wanted whatever they wanted you but if 1835 01:17:58,320 --> 01:17:56,350 you took the netflix model you know 1836 01:18:00,750 --> 01:17:58,330 netflix doesn't care if you watch two 1837 01:18:02,700 --> 01:18:00,760 seconds of one movie or what I mean yeah 1838 01:18:05,040 --> 01:18:02,710 that's exactly the words you don't just 1839 01:18:07,680 --> 01:18:05,050 get two shows to watch you get the run 1840 01:18:10,650 --> 01:18:07,690 of it you get the whole as exact as 1841 01:18:12,810 --> 01:18:10,660 opposed to a subscription base I mean 1842 01:18:15,660 --> 01:18:12,820 what I what I think is it would be 1843 01:18:19,050 --> 01:18:15,670 really cool er to give the fan and help 1844 01:18:20,700 --> 01:18:19,060 the the creator of the show too and you 1845 01:18:23,130 --> 01:18:20,710 know did these are great because I love 1846 01:18:25,140 --> 01:18:23,140 the ideas we have to you know get 1847 01:18:26,700 --> 01:18:25,150 together offline and talk about some of 1848 01:18:28,890 --> 01:18:26,710 this stuff because it's just so great i 1849 01:18:31,770 --> 01:18:28,900 love the thing about bringing up on on 1850 01:18:34,020 --> 01:18:31,780 air is your listeners and people who 1851 01:18:36,510 --> 01:18:34,030 want olympic as do it in the future well 1852 01:18:37,890 --> 01:18:36,520 not only that they can contact us and we 1853 01:18:40,380 --> 01:18:37,900 can carry the ideas a little further 1854 01:18:42,180 --> 01:18:40,390 with a little same a network like this 1855 01:18:45,000 --> 01:18:42,190 is this that in the paranormal just 1856 01:18:47,580 --> 01:18:45,010 think about all the people who have all 1857 01:18:51,300 --> 01:18:47,590 their ideas and they've got their books 1858 01:18:55,650 --> 01:18:51,310 they want to sell and you name it right 1859 01:18:57,390 --> 01:18:55,660 but the world of mass-market advertising 1860 01:19:00,450 --> 01:18:57,400 is close to them because they don't have 1861 01:19:04,290 --> 01:19:00,460 the money to get into that particular 1862 01:19:07,170 --> 01:19:04,300 stream but if there were a network that 1863 01:19:09,120 --> 01:19:07,180 was literally devoted to this and you 1864 01:19:11,820 --> 01:19:09,130 had somebody who was able when you had a 1865 01:19:13,980 --> 01:19:11,830 team that was able to go out and find 1866 01:19:16,800 --> 01:19:13,990 the people who needed to advertise their 1867 01:19:19,100 --> 01:19:16,810 stuff whether it's a book on ancient 1868 01:19:21,090 --> 01:19:19,110 aliens whether it's a book of 1869 01:19:24,000 --> 01:19:21,100 experiences it doesn't matter whether 1870 01:19:26,850 --> 01:19:24,010 it's a small publisher seeking to sell 1871 01:19:29,250 --> 01:19:26,860 his own subscriptions you could actually 1872 01:19:33,930 --> 01:19:29,260 have basically two ways of making money 1873 01:19:36,720 --> 01:19:33,940 one euro your CLM subscriptions and two 1874 01:19:38,010 --> 01:19:36,730 you're selling you're making advertising 1875 01:19:39,100 --> 01:19:38,020 available and you could make the 1876 01:19:41,990 --> 01:19:39,110 advertising 1877 01:19:45,290 --> 01:19:42,000 as a point of purchase add two so you 1878 01:19:47,420 --> 01:19:45,300 get a piece of every single um you're 1879 01:19:49,850 --> 01:19:47,430 just add on that particular advertiser 1880 01:19:51,890 --> 01:19:49,860 and and what's so cool about that to you 1881 01:19:54,230 --> 01:19:51,900 and another way to do it potentially but 1882 01:19:57,320 --> 01:19:54,240 with that same model but just tweaking 1883 01:19:59,390 --> 01:19:57,330 it a little bit is let's say it you know 1884 01:20:02,810 --> 01:19:59,400 we get a bunch of people involved and 1885 01:20:07,040 --> 01:20:02,820 then somebody wants to get their show on 1886 01:20:08,960 --> 01:20:07,050 this list well they can pay $25 to be on 1887 01:20:13,340 --> 01:20:08,970 the list and get their stuff played or 1888 01:20:15,770 --> 01:20:13,350 or or be there and then then it's free 1889 01:20:17,720 --> 01:20:15,780 to the outside person the outside person 1890 01:20:20,720 --> 01:20:17,730 goes and can listen to whatever they 1891 01:20:23,620 --> 01:20:20,730 want but this person's podcast or the 1892 01:20:26,750 --> 01:20:23,630 radio show is now a part of this bigger 1893 01:20:28,240 --> 01:20:26,760 bigger piece of the pie and on top of 1894 01:20:30,920 --> 01:20:28,250 that you would have advertised 1895 01:20:32,660 --> 01:20:30,930 advertising that could pop up for 1896 01:20:34,460 --> 01:20:32,670 different peoples their books or 1897 01:20:37,190 --> 01:20:34,470 whatever it might be or their podcasts 1898 01:20:38,840 --> 01:20:37,200 at the bottom of the player or wherever 1899 01:20:40,010 --> 01:20:38,850 well you know that's another thing thing 1900 01:20:42,740 --> 01:20:40,020 by the way I don't know whether it's 1901 01:20:44,570 --> 01:20:42,750 changed but in the old days of getting 1902 01:20:46,820 --> 01:20:44,580 advertising say for your blog or 1903 01:20:49,250 --> 01:20:46,830 something you used to be able to you 1904 01:20:53,420 --> 01:20:49,260 used to have to pick like a right-wing 1905 01:20:55,310 --> 01:20:53,430 package or a left-wing package or a you 1906 01:20:57,110 --> 01:20:55,320 know a mommy stay home package you know 1907 01:20:59,330 --> 01:20:57,120 what I'm saying you pick a type of 1908 01:21:01,640 --> 01:20:59,340 advertising you one on your blog 1909 01:21:04,780 --> 01:21:01,650 whatever okay yeah are you fine there 1910 01:21:07,700 --> 01:21:04,790 was never never a paranormal package 1911 01:21:10,190 --> 01:21:07,710 period a but it would do years old well 1912 01:21:12,400 --> 01:21:10,200 it would do now sure see if you could 1913 01:21:15,770 --> 01:21:12,410 just figure out how to put that together 1914 01:21:18,290 --> 01:21:15,780 or anybody listening um these are ideas 1915 01:21:20,510 --> 01:21:18,300 that are that's the whole point a great 1916 01:21:23,240 --> 01:21:20,520 idea is only as good as a point the 1917 01:21:24,710 --> 01:21:23,250 people who connects exercise it so throw 1918 01:21:26,120 --> 01:21:24,720 it you know throwing out ideas is kind 1919 01:21:29,090 --> 01:21:26,130 of fun that's a great use of radio 1920 01:21:30,530 --> 01:21:29,100 because you're sort of broadcasting and 1921 01:21:32,390 --> 01:21:30,540 that's a great thing for for truth 1922 01:21:35,240 --> 01:21:32,400 funders to I mean if someone says hey I 1923 01:21:37,400 --> 01:21:35,250 want to do that and and I need some help 1924 01:21:38,870 --> 01:21:37,410 to raise some funding for that you know 1925 01:21:41,840 --> 01:21:38,880 that's that's the kind of thing that 1926 01:21:43,670 --> 01:21:41,850 we're here anybody um maybe a forum is 1927 01:21:46,100 --> 01:21:43,680 all you need then then the sharing thing 1928 01:21:47,750 --> 01:21:46,110 it just happened naturally you know 1929 01:21:51,170 --> 01:21:47,760 people find each other forum might be 1930 01:21:52,910 --> 01:21:51,180 what you need also how long does a true 1931 01:21:55,120 --> 01:21:52,920 Thunder project last 1932 01:21:58,370 --> 01:21:55,130 where it becomes expired and fails 1933 01:22:01,729 --> 01:21:58,380 depends on what currently the way we're 1934 01:22:04,970 --> 01:22:01,739 doing it is that you know i'm i'm 1935 01:22:06,620 --> 01:22:04,980 working with the people so we can they 1936 01:22:09,080 --> 01:22:06,630 can decide how long they want it to be 1937 01:22:12,500 --> 01:22:09,090 generally a good campaign will take off 1938 01:22:13,729 --> 01:22:12,510 and last about 30 to 90 days but with 1939 01:22:15,380 --> 01:22:13,739 some of the first stuff since we're 1940 01:22:17,209 --> 01:22:15,390 getting it going and it takes a little 1941 01:22:19,370 --> 01:22:17,219 while for it to get out there i mean our 1942 01:22:21,560 --> 01:22:19,380 traffic on our site is phenomenal so 1943 01:22:23,240 --> 01:22:21,570 people are starting to it's starting to 1944 01:22:26,560 --> 01:22:23,250 pick up and it's starting to share and 1945 01:22:30,050 --> 01:22:26,570 space boy had a project actually and he 1946 01:22:31,850 --> 01:22:30,060 has extra got fully funded so if user he 1947 01:22:34,580 --> 01:22:31,860 was a first fully funded projects you're 1948 01:22:36,590 --> 01:22:34,590 alone he is your first guy at the at the 1949 01:22:40,189 --> 01:22:36,600 founder not the founders table but you 1950 01:22:42,080 --> 01:22:40,199 know the success table exactly exactly 1951 01:22:43,850 --> 01:22:42,090 so it's really i mean it's really 1952 01:22:46,160 --> 01:22:43,860 exciting it's a really exciting place to 1953 01:22:48,530 --> 01:22:46,170 be and this is a great conversation 1954 01:22:51,229 --> 01:22:48,540 because I i just love encouraging people 1955 01:22:53,900 --> 01:22:51,239 who are listening if you have ideas you 1956 01:22:56,410 --> 01:22:53,910 know we we can make them happen we can 1957 01:22:58,790 --> 01:22:56,420 help at least make make the dream of 1958 01:23:02,479 --> 01:22:58,800 potentiality and and this is what's 1959 01:23:05,570 --> 01:23:02,489 what's fantastic and oh how many how 1960 01:23:10,520 --> 01:23:05,580 many have you turned down oh there's 1961 01:23:13,640 --> 01:23:10,530 been um about maybe about 12 that we 1962 01:23:16,900 --> 01:23:13,650 turned down and it's just some sometimes 1963 01:23:20,630 --> 01:23:16,910 it has to do with you know if somebody 1964 01:23:22,880 --> 01:23:20,640 it starts with the box is what we call 1965 01:23:24,500 --> 01:23:22,890 it so if you go to truth winners calm 1966 01:23:26,600 --> 01:23:24,510 and go to create a project to learn a 1967 01:23:28,970 --> 01:23:26,610 little bit about it and then it says you 1968 01:23:31,640 --> 01:23:28,980 know submit your your project enter in 1969 01:23:33,470 --> 01:23:31,650 five sentences about your project and so 1970 01:23:37,220 --> 01:23:33,480 people will go there and they'll write a 1971 01:23:40,430 --> 01:23:37,230 couple sentences but if if it's like one 1972 01:23:42,140 --> 01:23:40,440 sentence or if it's all lowercase and 1973 01:23:45,290 --> 01:23:42,150 misspelled words and things like that 1974 01:23:46,880 --> 01:23:45,300 then we that's our first signs that you 1975 01:23:49,340 --> 01:23:46,890 know just write back and say thanks so 1976 01:23:52,580 --> 01:23:49,350 much for the idea we're not you know 1977 01:23:55,280 --> 01:23:52,590 we're not gonna go move forward with 1978 01:23:57,380 --> 01:23:55,290 that maybe in the old days so in the old 1979 01:24:00,919 --> 01:23:57,390 days I used to work at a newspaper and 1980 01:24:05,180 --> 01:24:00,929 when the letters came in and crayon we 1981 01:24:06,529 --> 01:24:05,190 ignored them yes same same same thing 1982 01:24:10,759 --> 01:24:06,539 same thing 1983 01:24:12,709 --> 01:24:10,769 yeah um hey so we only let's see we have 1984 01:24:15,049 --> 01:24:12,719 four minutes left of the show and then 1985 01:24:20,959 --> 01:24:15,059 it's over this has been so fantastic you 1986 01:24:22,520 --> 01:24:20,969 guys bill i miss your voice we we 1987 01:24:24,619 --> 01:24:22,530 definitely have to do it again and 1988 01:24:27,169 --> 01:24:24,629 definitely have to get together sort of 1989 01:24:30,199 --> 01:24:27,179 outside the confines of the show and and 1990 01:24:32,329 --> 01:24:30,209 have some conversation about some ideas 1991 01:24:34,250 --> 01:24:32,339 or models it's just it's just cool and 1992 01:24:36,289 --> 01:24:34,260 you guys get it from being in the game 1993 01:24:38,089 --> 01:24:36,299 for as long as you've been in the game 1994 01:24:41,119 --> 01:24:38,099 and you've been able to see the shift 1995 01:24:44,779 --> 01:24:41,129 and change of online radio and it's just 1996 01:24:46,039 --> 01:24:44,789 it's so cool do you feel like and I 1997 01:24:47,719 --> 01:24:46,049 wanted to take questions from the 1998 01:24:49,250 --> 01:24:47,729 audience but I just don't feel that that 1999 01:24:51,409 --> 01:24:49,260 we have the time right now I'm so sorry 2000 01:24:54,529 --> 01:24:51,419 all you guys in the chat room and 2001 01:24:56,419 --> 01:24:54,539 listening next time I promise we'll get 2002 01:25:01,189 --> 01:24:56,429 some questions in but I have one last 2003 01:25:03,709 --> 01:25:01,199 question for you and that is what do you 2004 01:25:06,500 --> 01:25:03,719 hope that people take away from your 2005 01:25:07,759 --> 01:25:06,510 show what's what's the message that you 2006 01:25:11,629 --> 01:25:07,769 want people to get when they're 2007 01:25:13,219 --> 01:25:11,639 listening to future theater one of the 2008 01:25:16,729 --> 01:25:13,229 things that I like about the show that I 2009 01:25:20,569 --> 01:25:16,739 hope people get a chance to understand 2010 01:25:24,939 --> 01:25:20,579 is that what we like to do is do real 2011 01:25:28,129 --> 01:25:24,949 stories about real people having real 2012 01:25:29,839 --> 01:25:28,139 experiences so as opposed to somebody 2013 01:25:32,329 --> 01:25:29,849 trying to sell something or poor 2014 01:25:33,770 --> 01:25:32,339 something we really want to get somebody 2015 01:25:36,919 --> 01:25:33,780 talking about a personal experience 2016 01:25:39,529 --> 01:25:36,929 that's absolutely real at least in that 2017 01:25:43,579 --> 01:25:39,539 person's mind so it's almost like the 2018 01:25:47,089 --> 01:25:43,589 old Edgar Amaro edward r murrow see it 2019 01:25:50,270 --> 01:25:47,099 now okay it is we want to bring the show 2020 01:25:54,619 --> 01:25:50,280 into somebody's life and have that 2021 01:25:56,239 --> 01:25:54,629 person in that life talk about Willie an 2022 01:25:59,179 --> 01:25:56,249 experience usually a paranormal 2023 01:26:01,729 --> 01:25:59,189 experience sometimes we'll do stuff like 2024 01:26:04,009 --> 01:26:01,739 a book that I've done like dr. feelgood 2025 01:26:05,750 --> 01:26:04,019 or the upcoming Mickey Rooney book or 2026 01:26:07,879 --> 01:26:05,760 something like that but by and large it 2027 01:26:11,299 --> 01:26:07,889 is trying to get that personal 2028 01:26:13,609 --> 01:26:11,309 experience and that to me was one of the 2029 01:26:16,279 --> 01:26:13,619 earliest things about television back in 2030 01:26:19,570 --> 01:26:16,289 the 1950s that really went into people's 2031 01:26:22,390 --> 01:26:19,580 homes and that's what we want to do well 2032 01:26:26,710 --> 01:26:22,400 I think that that's fantastic it was a 2033 01:26:29,950 --> 01:26:26,720 loss I would just add if I could we but 2034 01:26:32,110 --> 01:26:29,960 if we give out a happy tingle at least 2035 01:26:34,450 --> 01:26:32,120 one happy tingle per show where you get 2036 01:26:37,150 --> 01:26:34,460 a really good feeling and you think 2037 01:26:39,820 --> 01:26:37,160 about it maybe after the show that's the